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The cockroach men are black people. *ignores all the normal black humans on the manga* e: How is the tiny rear end japanese SDF, as technologically advanced as it is, able to occupy a large rear end place like the fantasy country? Do they actually address that logistical problem? Plutonis fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dont they address that issue by elf loving, or something
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:e: How is the tiny rear end japanese SDF, as technologically advanced as it is, able to occupy a large rear end place like the fantasy country? Do they actually address that logistical problem? Because the place is actually pretty small and the only thing they are "occupying" is a base built around the gate.
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Dec 14, 2014 06:15
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:The cockroach men are black people. *ignores all the normal black humans on the manga* Force projection from a fortified base using technology centuries ahead of any comparable fantasy nation. Even thousands of elite expert forces, mounted or otherwise, could be completely demoralized by a sniper picking them off from a mile away or artillery they can't see blowing huge holes in the ground. The big deal in the first chapters was the might of the Empire (big nation 1) an army of 120,000 was completely broken by a few military helicopters strafing the lines. The other Big Nation is the one that raided Japan through the gate and the heir is an arrogant moron planning to attack the JSDF and teach the filthy peasants a lesson. That would be interesting to see, but the last couple chapters have been "Elf girl is mentally broken, things otaku soldier is her father, he thinks the best way to cure her is make her face the GIANT loving DRAGON that killed her village" rather then oh I don't know taking her to a mental health expert to help her come to terms with it. Then again, Japan's perception of mental health professionals is less then stellar.
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Dec 14, 2014 15:26
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pentyne posted:The big deal in the first chapters was the might of the Empire (big nation 1) an army of 120,000 was completely broken by a few military helicopters strafing the lines. The other Big Nation is the one that raided Japan through the gate and the heir is an arrogant moron planning to attack the JSDF and teach the filthy peasants a lesson. Wait, but it was the Empire who invaded through the gate, and the army that was annihilated by the helicopters was just the survivors of the earlier attack against the JSDF base that wanted to sack any town for loot because they were sore losers/hungry with nothing to lose. Right? I find it really hard to keep track of all the poo poo going on in this manga sometimes.
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Dec 14, 2014 15:47
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Dickhead Fantasy Empire (DFE) opens Gate, rushes though, starts loving up Ginza. JSDF goes all   on DFE's rear end and pushes them back through the Gate.Japanese government sets up beachhead on DFE's side of the Gate. Refugees from DFE flock to beachhead for protection and start forming town around JSDF base.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:37
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Dickhead Fantasy Empire (DFE) opens Gate, rushes though, starts loving up Ginza. I honestly thought there were at least 2 "big deal" human run empires, and one of the invaded and the other is the one that arrogant knight woman is a part of.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:47
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You know, when I read Mahouka, I kinda knew what I was getting into, but at least it wasn't blatantly obvious till the middle of the first arc with the right-wing nuttiness. This however... just reading the summary is enough to make me throw up my arms in exasperation. Flipping through the pages makes me kinda wish that instead of taking the original text and faithfully translating it, someone just wrote in whatever sounded coolest in the bubbles. That probably would have worked out better, kind of like how Darth and Droids made the Star Wars prequels much more bearable.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:01
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pentyne posted:I honestly thought there were at least 2 "big deal" human run empires, and one of the invaded and the other is the one that arrogant knight woman is a part of. Arrogant Knight Woman is a subordinate of Piņa Colada, who is a daughter of the Emperor (and sister to Prince rear end in a top hat), but for several chapters she was involved with some random city/kingdom which is part of the empire technically, but have some degree of autonomy? And they were attacked by that rabble that got vulcan'ed at some point. And then Bunny Queen tried to implicated them for the killing of that Japanese former slave girl? I think? I am sure glad that the writer took the time to explain how bad the elf's PSTD is, nothing else is really worth elaborating on.
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Rexides posted:Arrogant Knight Woman is a subordinate of Piņa Colada, who is a daughter of the Emperor (and sister to Prince rear end in a top hat), but for several chapters she was involved with some random city/kingdom which is part of the empire technically, but have some degree of autonomy? And they were attacked by that rabble that got vulcan'ed at some point. And then Bunny Queen tried to implicated them for the killing of that Japanese former slave girl? I think? It's pretty bad when the most understandable thing going on in a fantasy meets modern world series is that a huge titted elf girl has terrible PTSD and they spend chapters on planning to cure her. While checking back to see about the defensive fortification I actually noticed something cool  The JSDF fantasy base is based off of the most advanced cannon-era fortress style ever designed, something that would make perfect sense to build when facing a society without explosive shell weapons. That's actually pretty cool and means the writer/artist thought about it and did some researched to see what the best fortress design would be, pentyne fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Star forts are very cool. I was born in Baltimore and spent a lot of time at Fort McHenry in my youth. The DFE is the 'big' empire. It seems like there are several other empires/kingdoms/wide spots in the road, but it's not really clear who/what/where they are.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:31
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The Empire rules the continent, other powers are vassals to it, like Eyepatch King. The whole reason the Empire sent the Vassal Kingdom army into Altus was so they could suffer comparable losses to what the Empire did at the start, neutering them. It's actually kind of clever, another thing wasted by its being in Gate.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:46
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Maybe Gate isn't all that bad????
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KaneTW posted:Maybe Gate isn't all that bad???? As long as Elf Girl's PTSD isn't cured by noble Ranger Spec Ops Otaku's dick then yeah maybe. This series is actually fun when it's about the complexity of a fantasy world dealing with a modern one and less opposition party Diet members desperately trying to humiliate the JSDF during public hearings. If I could find the source material, I'd probably check it out to see, but literally everything I can read about it is isn;t good. This was probably the best quote I could find quote:It feels like you are reading Mein Kampf and complain about the depiction of Jews. I found a weird wiki-like summary and this couldn't say more. http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Gate_-_Thus_the_JSDF_Fought_There quote:Between 2006 and 2009, Gate was serialized online in a novel website called Arcadia. It's a right wing nationlist's fanfiction that got some attention and when formally published they dialed back the political rhetoric and had to completely redo an entire book, and when the manga was done they dialed back the political stuff even more. pentyne fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dec 14, 2014 18:56
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I wouldn't recommend looking too hard for stuff about the original novels, because you can tell the ending of the series by looking at the cover and title of the last book.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:58
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Oh it's bad. It's staggeringly nationalist, there are bunny girl assassins, terrible character development, gun-porn, otaku heroes, harem, loli...the usual. But somehow, I find it really entertaining even with all that. I don't even know any more. 
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Oh it's bad. It's staggeringly nationalist, there are bunny girl assassins, terrible character development, gun-porn, otaku heroes, harem, loli...the usual. But somehow, I find it really entertaining even with all that. I don't even know any more. you've got to keep chasing that dragon
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Oh it's bad. It's staggeringly nationalist, there are bunny girl assassins, terrible character development, gun-porn, otaku heroes, harem, loli...the usual. But somehow, I find it really entertaining even with all that. I don't even know any more. Why is any of that except "terrible character development" bad? Or, rather, if it is bad, why do you consume anime and/or manga?
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Dec 14, 2014 19:38
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I read the manga to see what happen when you hit a dragon with an RPG.
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KaneTW posted:Why is any of that except "terrible character development" bad? Well, there's the 'loli' bit. Paedophiia is generally considered a story demerit.
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I think you'll find the character's name is "Rory."
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Darth Walrus posted:Well, there's the 'loli' bit. Paedophiia is generally considered a story demerit. Why is a child bodied character automatically associated with pedophilia? I think that's more of an issue with you.
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KaneTW posted:Why is a child bodied character automatically associated with pedophilia? I think that's more of an issue with you. Considering how constantly sexualized she is? No, I don't think it's just an issue with him.
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KaneTW posted:Why is any of that except "terrible character development" bad? Yeah man what's wrong with being staggeringly nationalistic? You got a problem with our noble JSDF heroes?
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KaneTW posted:Why is a child bodied character automatically associated with pedophilia? I think that's more of an issue with you. Who's loving alt are you seriously. I am going to be serious here, gently caress you. I mean honestly you aren't just being willfully ignorant, you are concern trolling for pedophiles. Please, stop posting and get help you gently caress.
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Ryand-Smith posted:Who's loving alt are you seriously. I am going to be serious here, gently caress you. I mean honestly you aren't just being willfully ignorant, you are concern trolling for pedophiles. Please, stop posting and get help you gently caress. I don't remember how the Gate loli was depicted but if you're a normal person you just gloss over whatever sexualization you see and if you're a lolicon, good for you I guess? Saying that lolis are bad is like saying Monogatari is bad for having Shinobu (never mind that Shinobu is probably the most mature character despite her most common form being a child)
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I'm surprised it took this long for this to start.
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KaneTW posted:I don't remember how the Gate loli was depicted but if you're a normal person you just gloss over whatever sexualization you see and if you're a lolicon, good for you I guess? Yes, we do gloss over, that's why we keep reading this lovely manga, but we are talking about a character who gets orgasms when people are killed, and at one point she was about to have sex with the protagonist before they were interrupted by BLACK MAN SPEC OPS. I can deal with all the other crap, in fact I find it charming at times, but the series would have been ten times better without her.
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Ohh. Oh now I remember the character. I didn't find her bad at all. It's like, yeah, she's child bodied but she doesn't behave or even is a child. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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That's funny because I lived on military bases all my life, and 90% of the spec ops guys were white. Gate seems pretty funny in the Tom Clancy/Michael Bay-esque way.
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KaneTW posted:I didn't find her bad at all. It's like, yeah, she's child bodied but she doesn't behave or even is a child. I had always heard of these mythical anime nerds who talk about sexualized children being okay if they're actually 10,000 years old, but I had never actually seen one on these forums.
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Ytlaya posted:I had always heard of these mythical anime nerds who talk about sexualized children being okay if they're actually 10,000 years old, but I had never actually seen one on these forums. Most of them have been chased out in annual purges.
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pentyne posted:Most of them have been chased out in annual purges. LOL
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[Internet moderator voice]: Guys, can we please move this discussion to IRC? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I complained about Rory on page 1 before it was cool.
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KaneTW posted:I don't remember how the Gate loli was depicted but if you're a normal person you just gloss over whatever sexualization you see and if you're a lolicon, good for you I guess? Oh, so you're one of those Gunnerkrigg Court fans. And I love how you imply that wanting less creepy bullshit in the 'gatarais is somehow an unreasonable and irrational stance.
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Darth Walrus posted:Oh, so you're one of those Gunnerkrigg Court fans. Is there anything sexual at all in Gunnerkrigg Court?
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Dr_Amazing posted:Is there anything sexual at all in Gunnerkrigg Court? It's not that bad in and of itself (especially when compared to the other crap brought up in this thread), but it's primarily about twelve-year-old girls, several of who are lesbians. The fanbase can get predictably weird and unpleasant. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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So like 2hu?
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Darth Walrus posted:It's not that bad in and of itself (especially when compared to the other crap brought up in this thread), but it's primarily about twelve-year-old girls, several of who are lesbians. The fanbase can get predictably weird and unpleasant. I'll let you know that I'm not a member of said fanbase and I actually haven't read Gunnerkrigg for a long time now. I enjoy it for what it is and there's no reason to bring sexual stuff into it.
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