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I know they're probably poorly organized, but why don't socialists and general further-left wingers try to influence some open senate primaries in friendly states (CA, IL, WI) before they try a national campaign? Then again, how much overlap is there between Occupy and the Sanders campaign? I could see that breeding nonsense ideas, like when it was proposed by some online OWS dude that the Democrats should be taken over, but then they should run no candidates so the Republicans have to run against The People United. Politics can be very rewarding...on a local level.
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Nows a great time to invest in unknowns on the D bench since it's currently poo poo. And by that I don't mean "weird hippy you agree with but runs a horrible campaign, running in your R+22 district." Find a swing district (maybe a state house seat) nearby and spend some Jacksons there.
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Spacebump posted:Donating nothing to a cause you believe in is like watching a child drown in the pool and hoping someone else will fix the problem for you. Donating $20 to a national candidate that's going to be pulling in millions in a night is like throwing that kid a cheerio.
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Jun 30, 2015 20:57
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D1Sergo posted:Oh God they're tallying electoral votes, this is depressing. It's better to watch the old clips of election night 1984, where the hilarious drama was seeing whether Mondale would win a state. It's on YT in its entirety (the ABC feed). I think that's the one where they interview Jesse Jackson and he's trying to spin like he would have done better and David Brinkley can't hide his "bitch, please" face.
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Jul 1, 2015 18:08
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Skwirl posted:I don't know a ton about the election in 1984, but it would have been hard for Jesse to have done much worse. Lots of white people in Minnesota. He could have lost that.
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Jul 1, 2015 19:30
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El Gallinero Gros posted:So, here's a question, from a Canadian who follows U.S. politics on and off: Who's the LEAST objectionable Republican primary candidate? Lincoln Chafee Serious answer is Pataki, the only pro-gay marriage, pro-choicer in the race and might end up being the last one since being pro-choice in the GOP is about like being anti-gay in the Democratic Party these days (there's still a lot of Catholic Dems re: abortion). He's been out of office with no other notable job for over 8 years though. Last we saw him, Obama was not even 2 years into his Senate term.
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Jul 2, 2015 13:44
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So which swing Senate seats would Bernie have a better chance of bringing along with him than Clinton? Is there a mysterious invisible base of leftists that never ever have voted and aren't opposed to voting for "bougie" parties or voting at all hiding out in the NC mountains or the swamps of FL? Hell I'd be surprised to see Duckworth with Sanders in IL. Only Feingold could probably carry and flip a seat on his own this cycle. Good luck getting anyone to the left of Obama through a GOP Senate.
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Jul 2, 2015 18:45
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All I see is Bush choosing UNION MADE beer. Checkmate libtards.
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Jul 3, 2015 17:36
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You do know the term Dixiecrat actually refers to something more specific than "A Democrat from the former CSA," right? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat Pretty rudimentary American political history.
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Jul 5, 2015 21:40
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The hope that Sanders inspires something bigger organizationally should be pretty low. Even if he "inspires" someone to run later, they'll be doing poo poo-all to rebuild the party necessary to create a legislative bloc and agenda. This is a man who won't even join the Democratic Party. Why is anyone expecting him to help them in any way? Sanders isn't a sub for Warren. He's this year's Nader.
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Jul 6, 2015 17:27
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don Jaime posted:That's what worries me no end. The parallels to Nader's gently caress the Democrats campaigns are worrying, particularly since so many Sanderistas openly say they won't vote for Clinton if they can't have Bernie. At least the candidate himself lacks the venom of Nader. I'm hoping he bows out gracefully when the time comes. And loving LOL at anything who thinks they can get anything resembling their chosen policies just by electing a president. You need a legislative majority. You need to build a party. A party that can hold 51+ Senate seats. A lot of people are totally daft on that. Socialists to the left of Sanders who won't vote for anyone but the Socialist Party or the Greens or Party of Liberation of the Amerikas or something are irrelevant and have been since Eugene V. Debs. Eventually you have to sell out and at least try to move one party towards you, or you're wasting time. This isn't a parliamentary system and wishing it was does nothing. Then again, some people just never want responsibility because it's cooler to poo poo on everything than actually be accountable.
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Jul 6, 2015 19:36
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Re: going after states beyond the Obama 2012 ones... It's always a good idea, if you're think you have a good shot, to go into some marginal states because of Senate seats. The Obama investment in NC in 2008 wasn't necessary to win the presidency, but it snagged a tough Senate seat. That may be the case next year in NC, IN, MO, and AZ. None of those seats are needed, but it could make a difference in how much damage can be absorbed in the inevitable 2018 drop-off. The past 8 years should show anyone how every single Senate seat counts.
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Jul 6, 2015 23:32
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MaxxBot posted:Obviously "Bernie or No One" is idiotic but I don't understand the people who say that Bernie would be a bad president because he wouldn't be able to get anything done due to being significantly left of the American political center. By that logic it would seem like Hillary would be a great choice, yet I haven't seen anyone standing up and defending Hillary is a great candidate. If Bernie is too far left to be a good president yet Hillary is also bad what do you want? Hillary is just enough in the mainstream while having progressive impulses of economic issues to not just win, but come closest to an actual governing majority that can take another run at climate legislation and immigration reform. There you go.
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It reeks of a cartoonist that came from Stamford, went to Columbia, lives in Manhattan, and who never associated outside their peer group. Same sort of sheltered life as the "how'd Nixon win? No one I know voted for him" woman.
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To me, it's not that he left college. It's that he left to start his political career. He lost the one thing he was in college for (to be SBP), so he dropped out and ran for another office in the State House. I would prefer a candidate with some living experience and accomplishment outside getting elected. At least Obama was a law prof and Hillary was a lawyer and Sanders built bongs or whatever you do for a living in VT. He apparently had some Red Cross job in college, but he specifically left to run for something.
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Jul 8, 2015 17:54
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Local anti-vaxx and GMO groups are organizing here for Bernie. See, that's the problem with not controlling your message and people with an iron fist.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:14
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http://conservativefrontline.com/la-gov-bobby-jindal-the-confederate-flag-is-a-symbol-of-my-heritage/quote:LA Gov. Bobby Jindal: "The Confederate flag is a symbol of my heritage” Ok then.
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Such a fun list to scan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016 Wonder if Rand will take advantage of that Alex Jones endorsement?
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Jul 8, 2015 23:43
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I'm not sure about anecdotal claims of Sanders crossover appeal, but his base, from what I can see, is a crazy quilt ranging from Warren-ites to the sort of people who would probably vote for Jesse Ventura or Ron Paul, so it's a very incoherent base that no other Democrat will probably be able to pander to, nor can any Republican save Rand on certain issues. I mean, if you go by FB, a lot of Sanders people won't vote for anyone else period because of Bankers/warmongers/GMOs/whatever. Go to a Sanders rally and not an insignificant number of people there may suggest he run with Ron Paul.
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Jul 10, 2015 21:28
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The X-man cometh posted:Yeah, can someone please give me questions for Bobby Jindal? I don't know if I can get away with asking him if he has stairs in his house. Ask about the exorcism. If he ignores, keep asking. Also, make sure he knows the difference between Cajun, Creole, and New Orleans. Ask about his favorite hot sauce. Tabasco is not acceptable.
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Trump is going to quit ("suspend his campaign") before a vote takes place and claim he's been "forced out." He wants attention and power without responsibility. Like Sarah Palin. He's going to keep talking in the media and try to keep as many people on his side and staying home during the primaries as possible, then launch a media assault in the run-up to the convention to get a speaking slot and demand he be able to still stand as a candidate. When he's denied this, he'll further show his power by talking down the candidates and keeping people home. He doesn't want to be President. He doesn't even care who really wins. He's just a media addict and this will be the final binge that kills him now that he's burned all his bridges. He's committing suicide.
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Is it possible that we could separate out the Dem and Rep primary threads eventually? I'm tired of scrolling through 3 pages of "will President Bernie Sanders sufficiently acknowledge blacks?" over and over and over to get to my Trumpchat.
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Jul 13, 2015 17:17
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Are people complaining that Clinton didn't do enough to help unions in Arkansas in the 1980s? That's essentially like asking why didn't they try to help the Razorbacks join the Big 10. It's just not a thing there. It's why an across the board min wage hike or other wage subsidies that aren't some obvious handout are better. Sometimes unionization just isn't in the culture, but people still need better wages.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Why is Hillary a battle axe? Uglyliberalwomenhotconservativewomen.jpg
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DaveWoo posted:Here's a quick rundown of all the Republican candidates' reactions so far to the Iran deal: Seriouspost: I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take more seriously the Paul, Perry, Santorum, Jindal, Kasich, Pataki, or... Trump answers. I'm assuming you meant Paul for his purposeful silence on his support and Trump for his "I'd do a yoooge deal, it would be beautiful and stop all the 9/11s because let's face it I know more about nooklear weapons than you" response. CannonFodder posted:McCrory: Gave a rubber stamp to everything the GOP leg wanted after 100 years in the wilderness which includes massive voter suppression, regular cronyism of establishing new government posts with very high pay and putting campaign staffers those jobs, put Art Pope (who funded the Tea Party wave in the state leg) as state Treasurer. Budget Director. Janet Cowell (D) is your Treasurer. All you needed to put was "gave a literal child who worked for his campaign $80,000 to do healthcare policy." I mean. drat. De Nomolos fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jul 14, 2015 |
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Chafee gets 0% with little effort, only going up to NH. Webb and O'Malley got 1% with much more effort and media. Who's laughing now?
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...source=facebook A Trump-Cruz alliance begins. So what if these insane people thought like this: - run for GOP nom - if neither gets it, run as 3rd party aimed at winning enough to keep the 1st place winner under 270, waging a war of attrition with both sides in NM, CO, FL, and NV over immigration. - say Trump/Cruz comes in 2nd to Clinton, with Bush in a distant 3rd...the election goes to the house and grassroots pressure forces enough of the GOP majority to back Trump/Cruz that Boehner caves, unwilling to back Clinton and unable to back 3rd place Bush without the party breaking.
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Evil Fluffy posted:It doesn't work. A Trump/Cruz third party ticket would mean a landslide victory for the Democrat nominee and they'd probably take states like Texas because of the vote splits on the right. Hilary Clinton winning the same way Bill did would be hilarious and I think someone in the GOP might actually murder Ted Cruz on the Senate floor if he runs as a third party spoiler. Who's to say Trump-Cruz won't get 45% in Texas and enough other red states to beat out what Obama got there (low 40s, high 30s), beat the real GOP nominee, and claim a new mandate to obstruct Hillary "NOT MY PRESIDENT" Clinton? I mean, that's what the GOP really wants: to bitch and complain and not have to have responsibility.
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Mr Hootington posted:It was republicans need to design a replacement first then he went into common core. Oliver North is not Sec Def nor is Lou Dobbs DHS. Wingnut fail. So what's up with reports from Netroots Nation that OMalley said "White Lives Matter"?
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You gotta eliminate 3 of them...um...
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oswald ownenstein posted:^ He has a funny way of getting away from bible-thumpers: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/rand-paul-and-marco-rubio-pitch-christian-conservatives/
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So all my evangelical family members say Carson wowed them last night. I thought he looked way out of his league. None of them give specifics for why. Any clue? Why him and not Huck or Cruz? White guilt?
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^^^link?William Bear posted:Crazy fool thinks he's Tony Stark, but all he has in common is the substance abuse and being an rear end in a top hat. My wife's alma mater has a candidate in the race! Last time mine did, he was awful and impregnated a staffer! De Nomolos fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Sep 9, 2015 |
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/25/senator-ted-cruz-speech-at-value-voters-summit-2015/ Full video of the Cruz speech at the Value Voters Summit Never heard this sort of anger in his voice. I keep waiting for him to call Obama a human being.
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Malloreon posted:And now for something slightly different. Going back to this...how many other states still have a Civil Service Exam? The Federal government doesn't even have that anymore.
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http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/ So have people already stopped revering 538 or is this the year their main predictive metrics just come crashing down. So far the top 4 candidates based on current polling have a total of 6 endorsements. This is supposedly one of the best indicators out there.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uc7wzV1IBOw My dad could have killed 150,000 people. So what? Bernie is going to kill 10 million. This, not Trump, is the most entertaining campaign. Paul's petulance and poo poo-eating attitude in the face of massive failure is glorious.
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I hope Ted Cruz gets hosed in some spectacular fashion. Like, he tries to go to the RNC as the reconciliation candidate between Trump and the rest of the party and gets rebuffed, then he goes to Trump to beg to be VP, Trump tells him he's going to get "made," and then Cruz goes out like Joe Pesci in Goodfellas.
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:Guess the future presidential candidate. Gotta be Lindsay with that SC emblem.
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