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Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


For continuing news on how everything is hosed on the Democratic side, the Clintons are reportedly in talks with Mark Penn :suicide:

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Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Nintendo Kid posted:

So why do you want a mealy mouthed center left at best party with hilarious anti reality baggage over actual Socialists? You have them on the ballot in California. Not sure who Party for Socialism and Liberation is running in 2016 yet (will it be Peta Lindsay again?) but they'd almost certainly be a better choice, for example.

For (relatively) well-off white guys it's either the Greens or the Dark Side Libertarians.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Fried Chicken posted:

At that point I imagine he'd be sitting in the graveyard, holding his fathers tombstone crying and blubbering about "I'm sorry I failed you, I'm sorry I wasn't good enough daddy"

Well great, that might be just enough for me to pity the man.

Might.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Rygar201 posted:

I'm aware, I'm just not sure how anyone can think that's a valid view. The Bush years were horrible Republican misrule and for enduring them we weren't rewarded with socialist bliss. Why would eight more years of a lovely Republican administration, and their accompanying SCOTUS picks lasting decades, push America leftward when the Reagan years and the Bush years didn't? Its the same idiocy that affects inflation hawks, IMO. Clearly the next Republican disaster will be the one to usher the American public to glorious class concipusness and mass intersectional socialist wonder just like hyperinflation is right around the corner, no really

Because clearly, if Cruz gets the Presidency, when he runs America off the cliff with his right-wing views he'll take the GOP with him!*

*note Reagan was considered right-wing even in 1980

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Pinterest Mom posted:

I can't believe this is finally really happening.


Pinterest Mom posted:

Oh man the Mitt train is going to get derailed hard by a certain other northeast governor.

:laffo:

The Cuomo effect is biting the GOP in the rear end hard and it is so. loving. glorious. I can't WAIT for 2016. :allears:

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Jerry Manderbilt posted:

"The Cuomo Effect"? What does he have to do with it besides losing to Pataki in 1994?

Stronger candidates sitting out an election where an incumbent president of the opposite party is running for re-election because a) they perceive said President as too strong, b) they expect a weaker candidate in the next election, or c) both. Named for Governor Mario Cuomo, who was considered THE Democratic frontrunner in '92 until he stepped out in the wake of Bush's post-Gulf War high.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


I have to wonder if this deluge of 2016 GOP candidates has anything to do with Citizens United shifting the power balance towards the moneyed men, etc. and creating a bizarre hybrid of the modern primary system and the conventional politicking of days past.

Who's up for 1924 DNC: This Time, It's Republican :getin:

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013



Come on, man, those speeches were way clearer than any Palin speech :colbert:

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Under the vegetable posted:

Honestly if Bernie doesn't win the primaries I'm going full accelerationist and voting a straight R in the general.

White male Democrat spotted.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


steinrokkan posted:

if u no vote hillary u sexist white male who b white and male and sexist

If you seriously advocate accelerationism you're probably a white male piece of poo poo who has never had to deal with a day of the hardship the poor and minorities face in this country, because otherwise you wouldn't advocate letting the people will make those problems even worse win.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Segmentation Fault posted:

internalized misogyny spotted

quote:

As a poor non-white woman, I plan on voting for Sanders in the primary, left as possible on all down-ticket races, and for Clinton when she gets the nomination, because Sanders sure as hell isn't going to get it.

Swing and a miss, baby.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Segmentation Fault posted:

sanders isnt great on race because as a white man he is predestined to always be a shitlord

The white persecution complex is the greatest thing to exist, and by "greatest" I mean "worst".

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


ErichZahn posted:

I thought being a barn-burner meant being pro-equaliy. drat. Anything else I missed?

You weren't wrong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnburners_and_Hunkers

quote:

The Barnburners were the radical faction. The term barnburner was derived from the idea of someone who would burn down his own barn to get rid of a rat infestation, in this case those who would destroy all banks and corporations, to root out their abuses.[1]

The Barnburners opposed expanding the public debt, and the power of the large, state established, corporations (the Barnburners were not opposed to large business enterprises due to their largeness - only ones established or subsidized by government); they also generally came to oppose the extension of slavery. They also stood for local control by the Albany Regency, as against the Polk political machine which the new administration was trying to build up in New York. Among the prominent Barnburners were Martin Van Buren, Silas Wright and John A. Dix.

At the 1848 presidential election, the Barnburners left the Democratic Party, refusing to support presidential nominee Lewis Cass, and instead joining with other anti-slavery groups, predominantly the abolitionist Liberty Party and some anti-slavery Whigs in New England and the Midwest, to form the Free Soil Party, which nominated former President Van Buren to run again for the presidency. Their vote divided the Democratic strength and secured the election of Zachary Taylor, the Whig nominee.

And Tilden was a barn-burner, but this doesn't translate into being a civil rights hero, given he was a 19th-century Democrat and (at best) looked the other way as the Democrats carried out massive voter intimidation campaigns against freedmen across the South.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Joementum posted:

I don't really see why it matters what Bernie thinks, since Hillary is going to be installed by the NWO Bilderberger globalists, probably to fulfill a plan related to keeping the British monarchy in control of the world.


Their plan just makes too much sense! Can Bernie stop it in time? Wait, is that a gold fringe on Bernie's logo? NOOOOOO!

I've never really understood the obsession conspiracy theorists have with what are essentially groups of people shooting the poo poo that only happen to look important because the people in question are rich/famous/politicians/etc..

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


This has to be the most pointless publicity stunt I've ever seen.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013



I think he was Governor of some state up Northeast. Connecticut?

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


I motion that anybody who mentions the word "dynasty" in discussion of 2016 should be shot for gross mental incompetence.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013



Horse isn't white. -10 points.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Mokelumne Trekka posted:

When does voting close tomorrow, when do the results start pouring in? Let's say eastern time zone?

7-8PM EST. All polls should be closed by 8.

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Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


SpiderHyphenMan posted:

I mean that's obviously a worst case scenario for anyone not Trump, but still, Minnesota???

There's always this periodic thing every election where all the media is like "but no this could TOTALLY be the year the GOP flips Minnesota!!!11" and it never happens. I have no clue why.

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