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i don't know, i wouldn't discount trumps appeal. he has been underestimated since day 1 by everybody, including myself. i thought it was just a gigantic joke to troll people and that he'd be dead as soon as the primaries hit. but nope, not the case. he has blown everything out of the water and what once looked like a republican blood bath, its now shaping up to be a non-contested convention. he's got an underdog appeal and its an outsider election. you see that on both sides of the aisle with bernie and with trump, except that it seems like hilary will secure the nomination, but its looking to be more brutal than initially predicted. i think hilary will come out of the democratic primary as the winner, but wounded. trump will come out on top of the republican primary after he devastates the competition. the general is going to be absolutely brutal. it is an outsider election and when the outsider on the democratic side loses when that's the feeling of a large portion of the party, you are in trouble. and also don't discount hilary's awful awful campaigning. she lost to a freshman black senator with a middle eastern middle name and is under preforming against a jewish socialist. there's definitely room for a trump victory in the general. TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Do some posters not realize they are in the United States or something? I have to imagine a lot of this is just a coping mechanism but the US is absolutely capable of election Trump. of course, trump is totally electable. he's the living embodiment of the evil side of american populism. its like all of our dark poo poo (especially reality tv) became independent, willing itself into existence like some sort of tulpa. there's a quote that stands out from the hbo movie game change where ed harris says: 'there's a dark side to american populism, and some people win elections by tapping into that' and that is precisely what trump is doing. people can shout 'but its <current year>!' all they want, these positions have always existed and will exist, because that's just human nature. the only thing we can do is curb these feelings and assuage them. they also just get worse when people are afraid, poor and vulnerable. and that's what a lot of americans feel right now.
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so is this the end of the modern republican party as we know it? this has been said a lot, but its always wavered back and forth but it straightened out always. this time, we saw the koch's golden boy go up like a piece of flash paper, taking millions upon millions with him. jeb was absolutely eviscerated by trump and spent 100 million on 4 percent, bringing him to suicide watch. kasich and carson refuse to drop out for some reason, thinking that their .01% likelihood and interpreting it as 'so you're saying there's a chance?! i am in this to win it!' which takes votes from everyone but trump. cruz and rubio will never unite because cruz is a sociopath. and even if they do, trump is poised to win nearly all the states tonight anyway, so it is too late for that. a brokered convention would be a loving poo poo show if they try to oust trump and there's basically a 99.99999% chance trump will run as an independent and spite gently caress the chosen gop nominee for president if he is ousted. what can the gop do? will it be the end for them or will they recover?
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icantfindaname posted:i don't think it will be the end of the party. they might lose pretty big in 2016 depending on how they deal with Trump but they'll be back. they have majorities in both houses and control most state legislatures. it's not like one lost election is going to banish them forever Oil of Paris posted:doubt it. theres a shitload of infighting right now, but their base ultimately isnt going anywhere. the worst thing that can happen to them is that the rednecks in the tea party get disinterested in politics again and stop voting as much after this election i guess what i mean is the current bent of the republican party. lockstep with each other, one massive coalition, or might it fracture like the democrats did with blue dogs, more conservative dems, etc. they aren't going to be eliminated but will the past few decades of unity be shattered now that they see kissing the ring of the crazies and racists and generally fear mongering, along with demonization of the media (which is now destroying their own news networks) created an unstoppable orange frankenstein? will they just fragment their message and points because of it? A GIANT PARSNIP posted:There's a chance a Trump 3rd party candidacy will run up the score for down ticket R candidates. very true Tesseraction posted:If the soothsayers of 2012 are correct but just off by four years, we'll see the far-right nutters form their own party in shrieking rage and the GOP returning to business-friendly social-moderate policy. i honestly don't know. this really is historical. its completely unpredictable. just like the financial crisis, pretty much nobody saw trump coming
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icantfindaname posted:I don't think the GOP is going to explode or anything but they have finally, after 40 years, exhausted the gains to be had from simply speeding off to the right as fast as they can. And I agree that this is basically uncharted territory now, we don't have any idea how they'll react to this new reality Oil of Paris posted:like i said, should trump lose the general (and i do believe its quite likely that he will), i think you'll see the tea party lose a lot of their oomph. thatll hurt republican turn out significantly in the years to come, and they will have to figure out how to galvanize those people again without having Obama there as a perfect avatar for their discontentment yeah, i agree with all of this. the really important election (if hilary wins, that is. i am not underestimating trump again) is 2020. that's the next us census and the redrawing of congressional districts. the reason the right could go full gridlock and drag most states down with conservative poo poo was thanks to insanely gerry mandered districts. i don't want to sound dramatic or anything, but this election really is the start of a fight to get a loving functional government again. say what you will about clinton, the dems are tired of that gerrymandered poo poo and will make sure to redraw them in favor of themselves. the problem is will hilary be popular enough to nab two terms? the dems need to not only win this election but the next (and key legislatures) as well.
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there is only one thing i am 100% sure of: republicans will be implementing super delegates after this
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Logikv9 posted:with the addition of "ultra-delegates" comprised of RNC officials, with a vote equal in power to an entire state yeah, they are going to make sure this never happens again. some republicans no doubt will vote for hilary. which is amazing. just loving think about that. if you told me even just six months ago that any republican would support hilary over the gop nominee for president, i would call you crazy. but on that note, will the gop really withdraw all support from trump and basically concede this election? it is hard to imagine a bunch of power hungry cunts just doing that. i mean, i guess they would if they view trump as more of a threat to their power than hilary. and maybe some of them might actually be afraid of what he would do as president. but if it came down to a ted cruz or a donald trump presidency, i am 100% for trump in that case. trump might be crazy, but he won't institute a christian theocracy. i also have to laugh at just how much everyone in the gop loathes cruz. they'd almost rather burn the party to the ground than let him be the nominee.
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Mordiceius posted:What would be the ultimate chaos outcome from tomorrow's Romney announcement? top guesses: 1 - announcing he is running 2 - calling for republicans to support hilary clinton 3 - saying the rnc has institute a new rule while working with the federal government to allow them to kill one primary candidate for one time only. donald trump is then brought out and forced to drink bronzer until he dies. 4 - brings out jeb bush who commits sepukku on live television, telling the audience 'you made me do this'. romney acts as his kaishakunin and severs his head 5 - the dissolution of the republican party, saying they will reform at a later date. all republican positions are immediately dissolved, disqualifying donald trump for candidacy. the vote on november will be for every seat a republican currently occupies. but it will really be: 6 - romney makes headlines: former presidential candidate makes boring speech that does nothing
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Logikv9 posted:That's the big question going around. You have the seeds of the anti-Trump movement on one side, and the movement of some current GOP politicians to endorse Trump early. There's a split, which leads me to believe that even if Trump got the GOP's support, it wouldn't be their full support. They're definitely right now just trying to figure out how to keep their Congress majorities. yeah. i mean we have seen this thing before with unpopular republican candidates (if cruz got the nom there wouldn't be rebellion, at least publicly. besides the fact i don't think cruz could beat clinton or sanders) but they always coalesced around the nominee. it is so hard to tell. then again i have never ever seen a candidate with a whopping -27 among independents. bill clinton is still immensely popular and that lends itself to hilary. also has anyone even won with -27 to independent voters? i know ge polls are poo poo this far out, but it isn't like trump is an unknown. he has been visible for decades and is the person independents would be the most familiar with. all nbc has to do is constantly run the worst of donald trump 24/7 until people are nauseous with the thought of voting him in. there was that political science professors model of a 97% chance of a trump win, but this is historic. i don't see it. maybe i don't want to. there is legit doubt his party would support him and that his numbers among independents won't move. his vp pick will not be someone who is going to steal the show from him and it would be hard to imagine someone reducing that -27 to something sane.
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who is she courting? conservative dems don't exist anymore and chances are republicans will rally around trump anyway. all she is doing is alienating liberal supporters
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porfiria posted:The GOP can do whatever they want at the convention, but per the rules you've gotta give it to whoever's got a majority of delegates, so if Trump goes in with a majority and they still ratfuck him it's all out war (they probably wouldn't do this). If he doesn't go in with a majority, they could kind of legitimately ratfuck him, which would result in all out war (they would conceivably maybe do this). i still think the gop will fall in line behind him so the party doesn't shatter into a million pieces. if they publically try to rat gently caress him, the party is torn apart in a wonderful spectacle of chaos and blood. they really can't do that. what is more likely is that they will gently caress him with support, basically knee-cap him behind the scenes. they might lose the election, but they have a chance of holding the party together and maybe even their majorities in the legislature. if trump wins, the party is dead anyway. he will tear it to pieces as best he can and fight with them tooth and nail. the only chance the republicans have of saving themselves at this point is, ironically, to lose the election. otherwise the gop is dead as we know it.
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Omi-Polari posted:Another possibility is that any one of these scenarios happen, but a few years later, a new generation of Trumpists sweep Republican elected officials out of state and local races. But I'm not sure his base of support can do that without him, since so much of his popularity seems to ride off the sheer force of his personality. it depends. i do think some republican candidates will try to channel that 'trump rage' against the establishment, but i think if trump loses the republicans will deal with them the same way the dems deal with economic populists: sabotage them any way they can. the one thing i can tell you, if trump ends up not being elected, is that the party is going to do everything in their power to prevent this from happening again. there's nothing more dangerous than a cornered, wounded animal. the republican party is fitting that bill, the walls just haven't closed in enough around them yet to see what their response could be. they do not want cruz at all, since he is universally loathed and is courting evangelicals, which at this point in time are basically a dead voting demographic. the only reason they want cruz is because it would hold the party together and probably wouldn't result in a loss in a legislature. they know he'll lose, but they really don't give a poo poo. i don't think cruz could win against hilary at all. he is far too extreme and he doesn't have the charisma that trump has. he looks like a ghoul which is why the zodiac joke stuck. i am doubtful they will close ranks around trump, because like i said, that's the death of the party. any minority outreach by one of the largest growing demographic in the united states (hispanics) will be completely obliterated. i mean, they can be spineless cowards and do that, but if he loses there's no coming back from that. if he wins, trump will not follow the leadership at all and might actively seek to gut it. so unless republicans are willing to be spineless and completely cave to the will of trump (not out of the realm of possibility. i always pictured the dems as more spineless though), they are completely hosed. trump doesn't seem like the type of person to bend to the whims of others. not when he is in charge of the country and the party. and even if he is elected, other outsiders would channel trumps style and likely win, hurting the establishment even more. in this instance, their choices are death or servitude.
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Omi-Polari posted:I once heard a really great comparison which is that Trump is a classic vulture capitalist who has applied his skills to politics. The Trump Organization finds distressed properties, or struggling local economies in Puerto Rico, Panama or wherever, and then pumps and dumps deals while insulating the Donald from liability if the enterprise goes bankrupt. Find some wounded prey, seize on it and wring out as much personal profit from it as possible before the whole thing collapses. it definitely seems like it. he wins either way and he gives no shits. and is only loyal to himself. it doesn't matter. trump has lied and flipped positions so many times and it hasn't harmed him once, in fact it helps him. the republicans have taught their voters on a pavlovian level to ignore and refuse to accept the truth. trump is a natural evolution of their brand of politics, nobody thought to just outright fabricate everything, even things that are easily disprovable. the tea party was something recognizable, but largely astro-turfed by a handful of billionaries who can only get erections when they think about turning the united states into the third world they controlled. now they are making GBS threads their depends because the tools they used to put the tea party into power are being turned against them and have the risk of the united states being turned into an actual third world, with racial tensions and violence and who knows what else after trump face-fucks the economy with a 35% tariff. this isn't the late 19th century anymore. and even if it doesn't, everything they have built has been destroyed. he will tear it down. all in the name of the trump brand. its kind of beautiful. the only unfortunate thing is that trump might win. and while hilary might not inspire the base, trump might just scare the living gently caress out of them enough to vote. fear is a motivator as well.
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please let donald trump win it all so there is no contested convention. let the koch brothers witness the billions of dollars they poured into politics burn away and their careful infrastructure they have built be drowned in a tide of orange bronzer. let them choke on it, before they go from this earth i want them to know that their dreams of a 3rd world united states where they ruled was destroyed by a man who sold steaks for the sharper image. and that they can never ever fix it. let the repiblicans eat the poo poo they have cultivated for nearly the past 20 years. i want to see each and every one of them have the face of christie at the convention. or them rush the stage and stab him to death like cesear. its the ides of march, lets do this poo poo.
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TyrantWD posted:The stories we have seen about the Kochs so far seems to indicate that they are strongly anti-Trump, but weren't convinced spending money on ads would work. this. also remember that the kochs want things that they can control, people they can buy. political creatures. trump is anything but controllable. he is capricious and his massive unfavorables as well as his outsider appeal threaten to undermine them since all of their people are insiders. thats why they are strongly anti trump. also remember, the one thing above all else that trump cares about is his brand. which does not align in the least with the kochs.
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Three Olives posted:You know what still astounds me is you can listen to people talk and length about how toxic Donald Trump is, how he could possibly destroy the party, that he is terrible in every way and in the next breath they say they will support whoever the Republican nominee who very well could be Trump. not all are like this. my dad is a republican and he has always voted straight r, even with palin (he liked mccain a lot). but he wouldn't vote if trump was on the ticket and he has been a life long repub. he said he would vote for hilary. i believe him because every time i mention trump he looks like he is going to throw up and doesn't want to talk about it.
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tardwrangler posted:One way or another theGOP is going to choke on its own severed cock this cycle but will somehow bounce back more pig ignorant stubborn and vengeful than ever. i mean there will be a conservative party but i think a lot of it is going to burn. there will never not be one, its just that this incarnation will be burned to the ground. it also looks like a brokered convention, so not exactly the blood in the streets i wanted. just blood in the back rooms. my auto fill was going to replace back rooms with ballpit. the rnc is dashcon and trump is pissing in their ballpit. headspace posted:A Tiberius Gracchus scenario would be better. The senate broke the legs of their tables and clubbed him to death. apparently it might happen this way since there are conservatives considering running someone against trump 3rd party like. Maoist Pussy posted:Well, Hillary is basically a Republican. true and he is socially liberal anyway so it isn't a big stretch.
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Slate Action posted:Kasich buying ads in Utah, a state he has zero chance of winning and in which Cruz desperately needs all the help he can get to reach 50% and get the WTA to slow Trump down. question: won't someone think of how poor ted cruz feels about the gop ratfucking him because the party would literally rather die than have him as the nominee? lol its a trick question, ted cruz has no feelings
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welp, the gop is getting completely face-hosed this election. ted cruz having multiple affairs (what woman would want to gently caress ted cruz, jesus. thinking about it makes my skin crawl) and apparently donald trump doesn't know how primaries work:"Trump tweets threat to sue over Louisiana delegate share posted:
yes, donald trump is threatening to sue his own party for the nomination he is currently winning because he doesn't know how the primary works. this election is beautiful.
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Blasmeister posted:Trump lawsuit threats are as empty as his policy promises, they're just a way to make it sound like he's being a proactive tough guy when things don't go his way. i know its not going to happen, its just funny. Dogstoyevsky posted:His tax and health care plans as stated are bog standard Republican policy porn. If you look to his history of public statements on health care and taxation (or really anything), they are contradictory, nonspecific, and all over the ideological map. What I take away from this is that Trump's preferred policy positions are essentially unknowable (likely because he doesn't actually care or think about policy), with the caveat that he is superficially positioning himself as another arch-conservative. I don't know why anyone would find that particularly appealing. donald trump is whatever you want donald trump to be. that's the beauty of his campaign. he will lie, not even hide it, just say poo poo that is patently and easily provably untrue and it doesn't matter. to borderline liberals, he's just a liberal pretending to be a conservative. to white power nutjobs, he's going to shut the borders and put border guards with m60s on the wall to mexico. to soft republicans, he's just a blustier mitt romney. to libertarians, he's a free market capitalist who just wants the government to stay out of people's lives. yes, trump will destroy the establishment, but it isn't him that is doing it. that's only an indirect consequence. trump represents a larger fracturing among the republican base, in which they've never gotten what they've wanted out of a candidate who always lie to them and never deliver. donald trump is a perfect answer to that: he's not a politician so he has no record to hold against him, speaks his mind so he appears to be truthful and you can hear what you want to hear and accept that as what he's going to do, while ignoring everything else. there's no indication on how he's going to govern. except that he's a monster who likes his steaks charred. no class.
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the gop would probably be ecstatic if trump wasn't the front runner. this fucks them over though. hopefully ted cruz's political career is over. he's not bill clinton, not by a long shot.
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donald trump: secret liberal who wants to arrest women for having abortions and bring back back alley clinics loving lol
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people saying that trump is taking the gop's stance on the position to its logical conclusion is ignoring the fact that the gop doesn't intend to take the abortion position to any conclusion. its long been obvious (except to retards like trump and a few other gop has-beens) that the position on abortion is to only have a perpetual base to pander to. they favor the eternal chipping away abortion rights/restoring abortion rights dichotomy for all time. its been a huge gravy train of money, support and votes. they don't think about what it means because frankly they don't need to do so as they have absolutely no intention of taking it that far. trump stating that he is going to take it that far and is actively thinking about it logically scares the gently caress out of the gop because trump doesn't even grasp the basic strategic nuances of their positions. not only that, but if they do take abortion to its logical conclusion, they will actually lose voters since a lot of abortion voters are one issue voters and don't much care about anything else. not only that, but making it illegal will galvanize opposition to an incredible extent. its a losing proposition. trump doesn't grasp this, at all. or he's frantically pushing the eject button as his own campaign was never intended to go this far.
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Fidel Castronaut posted:Even a broken c-uck crows twice a day. InsanityIsCrazy posted:third option: he says whats on his mind regardless of optics because he's so drat confident he's got this thing, and if it somehow weakens the entire establishment, good, they hate him anyway trump is a biologically engineered weapon by the umbrella corporation to destroy the gop. at the rnc convention he will take the stage and transform into nemisis while saying 'REGAN' as he slaughters the entire arena. the secret service will leave and weld the doors shut.
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:DID YOU HACK MY PRIVATE FANFIC SERVER the orange skin is a give-away that he is getting ripe, its soon SpiderHyphenMan posted:He basically said that a few debates ago and we were like "huh. weird." most people don't know or care what the geneva conventions are most people have an opinion on abortion yet no one ever thinks of imprisoning a woman getting an abortion
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mastershakeman posted:It's honestly weird as hell because at the absolute most the woman should be accessory to murder (if not murder) and the doctor performing it also charged with murder because no pro-life politician ever intends to make abortion illegal nor would any pro-life politician punish the woman.
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Denzer posted:He's recanted; doesn't matter, trump himself made truth irrelevant in this campaign, so all people will care about is the first thing he said.
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