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I think it would've been appropriate to have a cutscene in which we see the barrier go down (after we kill Sacchito), then monsters beam in and kill some Tiamats to drive the point home. I wonder why they didn't provide one, it's not like the game makers would've been like "can't do that, it's too dark"...
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Please stop calling them laminas. There's no N in lamia, and I don't think they're meant to be laminated.  Also, I'm of two minds about Algiery's death. On the one hand, poor Algiery.  On the other, ooooh we probably get her as a knight.  Please tell me you'll use her a bit.
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Sacchito just said that the reports were unverified. She probably heard an angel did both and assumed it had to be the same one. After all, if you see two angels flying high in the sky, you likely haven't seen enough detail to tell them apart.Felinoid posted:Also, I'm of two minds about Algiery's death. On the one hand, poor Algiery. She is the best Priestess in the game, and is in the perfect position to hit almost everything at once. Why would he switch out to an inferior Priestess?
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BlazeEmblem posted:She is the best Priestess in the game, and is in the perfect position to hit almost everything at once. Why would he switch out to an inferior Priestess? I meant even after the mission we get her in.
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Felinoid posted:Please stop calling them laminas. There's no N in lamia, and I don't think they're meant to be laminated. Ahh poo poo, I didn't even realize I was doing that!  Yep, we'll test out Algiery. I'm sure Lyzz and Rosa won't mind if we put her in the rotation. We'll get some pause talks out of her, and as mentioned, she is the best priestess in the game. BlazeEmblem posted:Sacchito just said that the reports were unverified. She probably heard an angel did both and assumed it had to be the same one. After all, if you see two angels flying high in the sky, you likely haven't seen enough detail to tell them apart. Sure, that's a pretty reasonable assumption. It's kind of fun to wonder how they got this information at all, like who reported that the king was killed by an angel? I suppose the Tiamats heard from Algiery. Earlier we saw a present day cutscene (so of course it was set chronologically after this flashback) in which a member of the Tiamat council stated that "the one from Asgard who came to help us has been overtaken by the power of the Underworld..." But we know the angel wasn't sent to help them, she was sent to blow up the tower... Anyway it's fun to see this stuff and follow their train of thought. If they're saying things like "the angel was going to help us" then I guess they haven't figured out TOWER = GET PUNISHED. Yet in that same conversation they express concern over the god's reaction to the tower. That scene is in video 39 if anyone's interested. Or you can use my super poorly organized plot spreadsheet shitshow and read the transcript (Scene 35 Pre Cutscene 2 notes). I didn't even really address the previous tower in the LP because I don't have much (if any) information on it, but the fact that it was tried before surely has implications on what the Tiamats expected this time. Hell I don't know what they're thinking.
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HaroldofTheRock posted:I didn't even really address the previous tower in the LP because I don't have much (if any) information on it, but the fact that it was tried before surely has implications on what the Tiamats expected this time. Hell I don't know what they're thinking. Remember that while the Tiamats did help them, to hopefully reap the benefits from Asgard's intervention, the towers were built by the Mehse. The Mehse likely figured "we have already been cursed with immortality while continuing to age, it's not like they could give us a worse punishment". They figured that Asgard might listen to them this time, as they have been punished once for the tower, so Asgard should try to find out why they would build another one - maybe they could finally tell Asgard how horrible they are being oppressed and have Asgard do something. Of course, this was never a good idea, because Asgard is being run by jerks who don't care about lesser beings.
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At the start of the video, I managed to confuse Algiery for Alier and wondered for a couple seconds when the heck Yelma nuked the Tiamat princess.  This made me realize that Algiery is literally just Alier with a G added in the middle and a Y tacked on the end. All these random NPCs with names and backstories and they can't come up with different looking names for two vital plot characters?  Also, how many stages are left? If it's only about ten or so, I'd like to put in a vote for Algiery to be used in every stage. Both because she apparently kicks a lot of rear end and because I'm a sucker for couples fighting side by side. 
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For all this stress on horns and wings being important to the Tiamats, neither Ahzan nor Alier have any wings. I guess it's the horns that are really important. Edit: Felinoid posted:Also, how many stages are left? If it's only about ten or so, I'd like to put in a vote for Algiery to be used in every stage. Both because she apparently kicks a lot of rear end and because I'm a sucker for couples fighting side by side. Including the Alier fight? 4.
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Felinoid posted:At the start of the video, I managed to confuse Algiery for Alier and wondered for a couple seconds when the heck Yelma nuked the Tiamat princess. quote:...I'd like to put in a vote for Algiery to be used in every stage. Both because she apparently kicks a lot of rear end and because I'm a sucker for couples fighting side by side. Haha, I'll meet you halfway. We'll use Algiery as our only Priestess from now on...but only when the situation calls for a Priestess  BlazeEmblem posted:For all this stress on horns and wings being important to the Tiamats, neither Ahzan nor Alier have any wings. I guess it's the horns that are really important. Yeah it's kind of strange how they handled the Tiamats. We've see a fair number of NPC Tiamats with their horns and wings:   However we've had some cutscenes where they've used the Nameless Knight (aka generic) portraits for Tiamats, without any edits:       Neither Azhan's sprite or portrait have wings:  As for Algiery, her Tiamat portrait does show wings, but part of them are cropped out:   But as for her sprite in the cutscene:  ZOOM! ENHANCE!  Yeah, no wings. It's so strange...I'm really reluctant to use the term "lazy"; this game has shitloads of NPCs, recruitable knights, and story characters with unique portraits...why cut corners with the species noted for their physical characteristics?
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HaroldofTheRock posted:ZOOM! ENHANCE! I can forgive this one instance, because she is just using an NPC sprite to represent her. It think it was used by Aura? I don't remember, but I know it had been used before. It's clearly not supposed to be her, as she doesn't have a bow in her portrait, and it looks big enough to show up on her portrait. As for the sprites, they have never really been customized for each character, so it makes sense not to have wings on them. The only custom sprites are: the bosses, Ahzan, King Wilmgard, prince Nordich in the one flashback, Gunther before he snapped, and another character I won't spoil. The rest of them are generic. As Ahzan and Alier don't have wings despite having custom sprites, clearly they are not supposed to have wings for some reason. The Tiamat soldiers not having wings in their portraits are the one thing I can't explain.
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BlazeEmblem posted:I can forgive this one instance, because she is just using an NPC sprite to represent her. It think it was used by Aura?  Aura, from Scene 17:  (sorry for the obstructed view; the only footage I had with her silhouette filled in was when I gave her the key item) Algiery:  So a little bit different, but clearly made off the same base model, which was probably "Female Sprite A.PNG" But I have to ask, how the hell did you remember Aura (and correctly identify her sprite being common with Algiery)? Dang. I didn't talk about Alier in my previous post because I was going to hold off until after the boss fight, but honestly it's more appropriate to mention it now rather than wait. After boss fights, I usually post some images/artwork of the boss. As I'm sure you're aware, some of Alier's concept art shows her from behind, and nope, no wings. Quite blatantly:  And, of course, in game:  Game Designer Ito posted:It was toward the end of the design phase when we decided on how Tiamats should look. As such, it took a lot of trial and error to ensure that the size of the wings wouldn't interfere with all the human-sized characters we'd already finalized. Or, you know, we could just not worry about the wings at all I guess.
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If you really must know... I didn't - I mixed her up with Maimi, from chapter 7. She is Baltar's daughter, and has a big bow on her portrait. For some reason, when I think of her portrait, I think her name is Aura, a friend of hers. Not that it matters - I just looked at the chapter 7 fight, and she clearly doesn't have Algiery's sprite. But she should.
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What I noticed is that Ahzan's name is inconsistent. He's always referred to as Azhan, Z before H, but his own textboxes refer to him as Ahzan, H before Z. How odd. About the wings, maybe they're kept below clothes if they're small enough. The tiamat wings don't look particularly strong to begin with even in the ones that have visible ones, so they might be vestigial.
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UPDATE: Scene 44: Distant Memories. Clash with the Princess Alier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwPTZgi7UqA Knights we recruited last time Algiery Merza Ectole of the 6th Order    “I’ve lost my home and even my love…What is my purpose now?” Class: Priestess Atlus.com say this of Algiery: ”The commander of the 6th Order, placed in this charge by King Wilmgard himself. She is exceptionally talented and known for her kindness, beauty, and speed. It is said she and the king were romantically involved.” The Tome of Lost Souls says: Devoted Guardian “She is a compassionate and talented knight who climbed the ranks at an impressive speed. Her beauty and personality have helped her gain the trust of many of the knights, and she leads the 6th Order as fairly and justly as she knows how. Algiery’s love for the King drives her to succeed in everything she does, and she considers General Frabela to be a close friend.”       Yavuz Rolef Walesner of the 3rd Order    Class: Wizard Atlus.com say this of Yavuz: No Entry! The Tome of Lost Souls says: Constant Scholar “He is a conflicted intellectual, and although he acts tough and cold, he is deeply concerned for the people around him. He is reluctant to pry into other people’s personal lives, and in battle, he is always calm and rational. Yavuz was ordered by Yelma to track General Algiery, but he has moral reservations with carrying out this mission…” Blaze Dragon posted:What I noticed is that Ahzan's name is inconsistent. He's always referred to as Azhan, Z before H, but his own textboxes refer to him as Ahzan, H before Z. How odd. I would never have noticed Ahzan's name inconsistency, but now that you've pointed it out, yeah...that is a weird oversight. That's a rational explanation for the wings, but it's still really strange they didn't just put in a throwaway line to explain it away. Ah well.
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So, we finally fight Alier. Not much to say about the fight, but she is our final boss named after the zodiac signs - she is Aries. Let's face it - they were really stretching it to have the bosses be named after the zodiac, because none of them make any sense. Also, The Gentlemieu posted:They're jealous of his awesome beard and want to wear it themselves, obviously. And you're welcome for that mental image. Congratulations on getting it right  !
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I'll let you cover Marietta and the Rocking Red Cloak, so I will focus on Yelma. We finally see that the body of the Arbitrator does have some power, as Yelma was able to feel it, but it seems that only the King is worthy of using it - I assume Zolgonark can also use it, but isn't considered worthy of it - he is just strong enough to use it freely. Imagine what Wilmgard could be capable of if he gets his body back - he would definitely be able to keep Asgard and the Underworld in check, which is what the Arbitrator was supposed to do. As for not fighting Yelma as a boss, the game had been hinting at it all along - all of the bosses were named after the Zodiac signs, (with Zolgonark clearly being named after the Zodiac itself) with the exception of Mellisa, who is clearly supposed to be special, as you fight her multiple times; and Vienna, who is also supposed to be special, seeing as you fight her directly after another boss fight, but that didn't really come across very well.. Yelma is not named after a sign, hinting at her lack of a fight. However, the Vienna fight made the clue less obvious, so during the game it is easy to assume that you will fight Yelma. Huh, I guess the Zodiac names had some point after all. But a little girl who stood in our way ruined it for everyone.
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I fully expected Zolgonark's second phase because otherwise the 20 turn limit felt far too high, even for a fight with two reviving enemies and a third that can only be attacked if the other two are dead. That said I didn't expect it to be that...gimmicky. Nonetheless that looked like a really unique fight, and I liked it. Would've made a good ending, but there's still Mel...whatever, Melissa MkII. Also I have no idea why they bothered giving Maria a second portrait here.
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NGDBSS posted:I'd guess then that giving his corpse the Soul Crucible was the trigger for, well, something. Giving key items to bosses only affects their rage meter. Nothing else. It's just that the soul fight is considered a different boss fight than the main body, so the speed of the rage meter is reset.
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That is correct. It would have made an interesting angle for the key items to affect story...like maybe send you down a different path if you give someone the right item. Anyway, what happened in the video was, I actually did save after Zolgonark, but then when leaving the inventory screen you get asked again to save, which I declined. So we're post Zolgonark, poised to start the next fight, but I can still make changes to personnel before going into the final battle. That is the key to one of the ending variations...
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Just an update on the LP. All footage is recorded (finally), will start editing this week. There is a bonus video of Zolgonark's attacks coming, then the next Scene. It's a funny feeling; this LP is finally winding down 
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Yeah, hopefully it's archive worthy. I'll need to clean up the OP and do some other chores before I submit. Anyway, here's a bonus video of the Zolgonark fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un_rP2dIlNk
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HaroldofTheRock posted:Yeah, hopefully it's archive worthy. I'll need to clean up the OP and do some other chores before I submit. There aren't really quality controls for the LP Archive. The only requirements are that it be something from SA, in something resembling a finished state I think, and with a bit of effort put in to make it so Baldurk can save himself a bunch of work with import templates or something. (E: And of course has to be actually requested by someone, whether the author or a reader.) Now obviously the more effort you put into making it easier for Baldurk to put into the archive, the better, since he does good work for us all and could use any breaks we can give him. But if you're at all worried about it being "rejected" for any real or perceived flaws in the LP itself, you can relax.
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Am I the only one that finds Zolgonark's open mouth animation weird? It's like the perspective the spriters attempted fails badly, making him look like a cyclops.
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UPDATE: Scene 47: Law and Chaos. Clash with Melad Margus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlhKmZxTw_g And then... The endingshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRFjyeLG-JM  Download the Knights in the Nightmare Soundtrack: http://timetopaytheprice.com/files/KitN soundtrack.rar <----Left click this! This is the PSP version of the soundtrack. In any videos where I had a slide show thing with game music in the background, I used songs from this version of the soundtrack. I'd name favorites, but I'd end up listing them all. Felinoid posted:There aren't really quality controls for the LP Archive. The only requirements are that it be something from SA, in something resembling a finished state I think, and with a bit of effort put in to make it so Baldurk can save himself a bunch of work with import templates or something. (E: And of course has to be actually requested by someone, whether the author or a reader.) Now obviously the more effort you put into making it easier for Baldurk to put into the archive, the better, since he does good work for us all and could use any breaks we can give him. But if you're at all worried about it being "rejected" for any real or perceived flaws in the LP itself, you can relax. Ah that's good to know, thanks. I'll definitely look into making it as painless as possible for Baldurk. Blaze Dragon posted:Am I the only one that finds Zolgonark's open mouth animation weird? It's like the perspective the spriters attempted fails badly, making him look like a cyclops. Yeah I always had a hard time with that one:  
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