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Ola posted:Lovely! The Baltic sea is quite brackish, isn't it? At least I know shipwrecks are very well preserved there, is there less growth (and perhaps less maintenance) on the hull as well? Yeah, the Baltic's not very salty at all. Less corrosion on metal parts, less barnacle growth, just less underwater problems in general. Very convenient!
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  This is not my boat. It belongs to a friend of my father, who is getting on in years and has no kids of his own, so an arrangement was made that I'd get to use it in exchange for helping with maintenance, with the understanding that I'll take it over eventually. It's called Strändernas svall, named after a 1946 novel by Eyvind Jonsson, translated into English as Return to Ithaca; the original title means something like "the swell against the shore". She's a 9.95 meter long plastic yacht of a class called Aphrodite 101, built in Denmark in 1977 as hull number 13. She sails well but has sadly seen very little use in recent years, and there's a lot of long-deferred maintenance that should be taken care of. Fortunately for me, the original Volvo engine broke down in the late 90's and was replaced with a new Kubota two-cylinder diesel that has a closed-loop freshwater cooling system (unlike the old engine, which circulated seawater directly into the engine), so I don't expect too much trouble with that, at least. Still, nobody's done on an oil change on the thing in probably a decade, so that's one of the first points of order. If anyone has any protips on what you should look into on an engine like this, please let me know! I know very little about combustion engines and I don't have a driver's license. Either way, first thing to get taken care of is the hull. I should probably scape and re-paint the bottom completely but I'll postpone that for next year and just patch it up for this summer.  Hidden by the rudder is...  ... a bunch of last year's barnacles. Got rid of those all over the hull today.  And took care of some gunk in the waterline (before to the right, after to the left). Tomorrow I'm gonna scrape the bottom some more and patch up some places where the paint needs reinforcing. Next weekend it's oil change time and checking that all the connections below the waterline seem okay. Also gonna take the opportunity to watch some long-tailed ducks while both they and I are around here (they migrate northward as spring progresses).
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Boat's in the water now, and we put the mast on this past weekend. Mast loaded onto the boat, ready to head over to the crane to put it on.  The crane is a modest home-made affair. It's only about half as tall as the mast, but that's not really a problem; as you can see the line hooks up to the mast just beneath the shroud spreaders about a third of the way up. Then you get someone to hold the foot of the mast down while raising it up.  Holding the mast hanging from the crane while they're fastening it and tightening up the shrouds and stays etc. The winch has a serial number plate informing me that it was manufactured in 1965 in Düsseldorf, West Germany. Still going strong!  All done. Annoyingly, moments after this photo was taken we discovered the windex was put on backwards, so now we need to find somewhere with a better crane you can climb up into to adjust it, because gently caress taking the mast down again just to fix that. We put the boom on too so now it's just a matter of trimming the rig a bit and it's all ready for a sailing trip. Weather has been pretty poo poo so far though.
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Popete posted:Can anyone recommend me some basic resources on sail boat ownership? I've been sailing for about a year now (dingy and keel), a lot of time out on the water this year racing on a 30 ft Frers twice a week. I'm taking a keelboat refresher course in July on a J22 the size of boat I am hoping to buy next year. I've been looking on Craigslist at boats for sale and it seems like you can get a decent sized boat for $5000 - $10000 which seems like a steal to me. But I'm curious what to look out for and what the hidden costs of ownership are. Last thing I wanna do is buy a boat and go broke maintaining and repairing it cause I didn't know what to look for. Used fiberglass/plastic boats in the 20-30' size range from the 70's/80's are basically a dime a dozen these days and you can get awesome value for your money if you shop around. If you get one without an engine there's not a lot you can get hosed over on, most problems will be readily apparent if you just give it a good looking over while it's on land. It's always a good idea to pay special attention to critical things like the rudder fasteners, any hull openings below the waterline, the anchor points for the standing rigging etc. If it does have an inboard engine, that can be a huge can of worms. If at all possible, try to get a boat where the original engine has been swapped out at some point in the 90's/early 2000's, but even then you're gonna have to be real careful. Outboard engines are cheaper and easier to replace and probably easier to maintain as well, but at least here they have a disturbing tendency to get stolen. They're also less suitable to a boat intended for longer trips because you can't really hook an alternator up to them, but since you're looking for a day cruiser that's a non-issue to you. Basically if it's a plastic sailboat in decent shape, everything except the engine is actually pretty cheap to own and operate. Most parts do not need replacement all that often and if you sail it in freshwater you're not even going to have to repaint it below the waterline very often. Marine engines, though, are expensive and annoying. Wooden sailboats can also suck up pretty much infinite amounts of time, if you let them (they can be really nice to look at, though). As far as boat class choices go, if you had been in northern Europe I'd have recommended an IF-boat - it's cheap, it sleeps four people (although two of them need to be sorta small and/or pretty good friends - bring a tent), seats five if you need to, can be handled solo and is an excellent beginner sailboat while still having a lot of room to grow (people have crossed the Atlantic in it) - but I don't know if such creatures exist in Lake Michigan. Other than that I concur with the guy above: don't underestimate mooring costs. poo poo's expensive. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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 Gotta brag a bit and post some gratuitous photos. Sailing this wooden yacht this week with some family friends. Primrose is her name, a 43 ft yacht built in Gothenburg in 1938, not to any particular rule. Three families share ownership, and I think that's about right for the amount of maintenance a boat like this requires.  
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Kenshin posted:Beautiful. What's the beam on her, looks narrower than I'd expect from a sloop her size? 2.6 m (8.5 ft), or thereabouts. The interior isn't huge but five people sleep comfortably on board. 
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Got the boat into the water today, but of course it's got a very annoying engine issue I changed the diesel filter last fall and don't think I bled the fuel system properly, so now I'm chasing that air bubble. The engine runs, but unevenly and at low RPM. Sometimes it peps up and goes back to normal but then it goes back to running badly. I'm pretty sure I know what I need to do (bleed the injector lines) but I didn't have time to do it today so now I get to be annoyed at an unsolved problem all week...
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The Locator posted:I watched this and I was trying to imagine what sort of reaction you would get if you could magically go back in time to the age of sail and show some captain's this: I don't think you should underestimate just how incredibly optimized the last few generations of commercial cargo sailing ships were. Sure, 19th century ship architects didn't have access to modern materials and I'd bet their designs weren't nearly as good close to the wind as modern ones, but they were designed and built by people who built on a huge amount of experience and empirical test data - they knew a thing or two about sailing. There were sailing ship speed records set by clippers that stood unbeaten for well over a hundred years - for example, the 225ft clipper Champion of the Sea held the 24-hour sailing speed record at 19.46 knots between 1854 and 1984, or if you only compare monohull to monohull, all the way up until 2002. There are more than a handful of records of clippers that averaged 18 knots or more over a 24 hour period as well, and modern monohulls only started to reach those numbers in the 1990's. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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After sailing on other people's boats for years now, I think it's time to make an informed bad decision - I'm about to buy a boat. More specifically, this one: This is an S30, a 41 ft (12.5m) plastic/fibreglass (GRP) sailboat, drawn up by Scandinavian yacht design legend Knud Reimers around 1970. It's an imitation of the old wooden square meter rule skerry cruisers, and as such it is long, low and narrow - the beam is only about 8 ft (2.5m), and you can barely stand upright inside. Just like the old skerry cruisers it's also got a good bit of overhang both fore and aft, so the waterline length is more like 33 ft (10 meters). A more conventional 41ft yacht can easily displace 7 or 8 metric tons or even more, while this thing displaces under 4 tons. Around 300 of these things were built between 1972 and 1982, all in Sweden, and most of them remain here. They're far from ideal for bluewater sailing, but in the Baltic archipelagoes, they're great. The draft is also very shallow at only 5 ft (1.5m) which combined with the fin keel and the long overhang makes it easy to reach land in the archipelago's plentiful natural harbors.  This particular example was built in 1978 and launched in the spring of 1979, was kept by the builder as a demo boat for one year and then sold to the current owner, who is now getting on in years and looking to sell it. It's in overall great shape for a 40 year old boat, and most of the sails have been replaced in the last 5-10 years, but it still has its original Volvo Penta MD7A - a 13 horsepower two-cylinder marine diesel engine. That last thing is the only real issue that makes me hesitate to buy it, because new engines are not cheap (looking at something like $6000 USD for just a 13-15 hp marine diesel engine, then potentially add a new saildrive/prop assembly, installation work etc). Still, the owner seems like a man who takes meticulous care of his belongings - it reportedly runs perfectly and was converted from direct saltwater cooling to closed loop freshwater cooling via a heat exchanger in 1990, so unlike some of its brethren it shouldn't be completely rusted out inside the block. Hopefully. If I end up keeping this for more than a few years, a new engine is probably a good idea at some point, but since it will in all likelihood cost more than half of the price of the boat itself, I'll put it off for a while. The interior is best described as "cozy". It's got six bunks - a twin under the foredeck, two sofas doubling as bunks in the main cabin, and two in a separate compartment aft of the cockpit. There is a toilet with a septic tank, but with the kind of sailing I intend to do (island hopping in the archipelago), that's going to be for emergency use only.   Gonna go on a test trip on Tuesday. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Aug 1, 2018 |
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Big Taint posted:Those are gorgeous, there’s one in SF bay that I see sailing one or two times a year. They really are! We (my sister, her husband and I - we're planning to share ownership) had a long laundry list of things we wanted in the new boat, and "does not look like a floating mobile home" was one of them. The classic skerry cruiser look is great, and I have a particular soft spot for Reimers designs ever since sailing on Primrose, which was also his work. chrisgt posted:Those old Volvo engines are ridiculously reliable, just keep up on valve adjustments and oil changes. Probably also a good idea to have the injectors rebuilt if it hasn't been done in the last ~500 hours or so. meltie posted:That's beautiful! This is good advice, thanks! I'm definitely on board with not fixing it as long as it works, but certain spare parts for these are starting to get scarce as far as I understand. From what I've read, what usually kills this engine generation is either compression issues or the engine block rusting from the inside due to saltwater corrosion in the coolant loop. The latter problem this one hopefully doesn't have anymore, since it was converted to closed loop freshwater cooling long ago. I haven't really heard anything about the saildrives dying though, so that's news to me. It's a Volvo Penta Saildrive 110S. Do you know what tends to go wrong with them? Crunchy Black posted:gently caress yeah. Running check stays? This thing was built to go fast. I'm not too good on sail trim terminology but I think those are just regular running backstays. It is a fast boat though - long waterline (when heeled over) means high top speed. The Locator posted:Tiller steering on a 41' boat? Have to say that's surprising to me! Great looking boat though, grats. Haven't actually bought her yet, but it's looking good so far - it's definitely the best one out of the handful I've looked at already, the price is reasonable and it ticks all of the boxes. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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chrisgt posted:Maybe it's because I worked at a marine industrial park I saw a disproportionate amount of broken sail drives... Just never liked the things. I think that generator (or one very like it) was standard equipment on the 70's Volvo Pentas, yeah. I suspect the boat I posted about has one. As far as I know though the red assembly with the dual battery charging system was an optional accessory and I think you can just remove it? Amazingly it seems you can actually buy replacement regulators for these things, at least around here.
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TheFluff posted:After sailing on other people's boats for years now, I think it's time to make an informed bad decision - I'm about to buy a boat. More specifically, this one: I signed the purchase papers for this today. This is scary and I won't get to sail it again until this spring I guess I'll have to post a bunch about various winter projects until then. The gentleman who's owned her since new turns 85 years old next month but he sailed her until last year - he broke his leg this spring and that's what finally stopped him. Life goals. (Well, not the breaking a leg part) TheFluff fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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She's on land now.   Little bit dirty in the waterline, but almost no growth under the waterline. The anti-fouling paint isn't particularly nasty either (it's a hard copper-based paint), which is good because the local equivalent of the EPA is on a mission to make self-polishing paint completely illegal within the next few years, so that saves me having to take care of that. I guess the environment at the marina is just so hostile to life in general that nothing grows anyway though. Did the usual maintenance on the engine - oil, oil filter, both fuel filters, and filled the seawater loop with antifreeze mix. Bleeding the fuel feed was easy enough and the engine started happily afterwards, which is very good. Runs really smooth, easy to start and there are no signs of worrying smoke or other nastiness, which makes me very happy since it's 40 years old. Didn't do valve adjustments this time but it's on the hit list. Already got a long list of things we want to do, everything from extending the toilet door to installing a USB power outlet to adding various storage nets etc. Don't know where to start yet though.
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gvibes posted:Pretty sleek-looking boat you got there. That's the best thing about her  Long, low and narrow, makes her look hella fast in a way modern flat-bottomed things don't, even thought they're actually much faster in reality. Also really nice to look at!
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Kenshin posted:I am waiting to hear back from my bosses at work to see if they can spare me for a few weeks, but if they are ok with it (I think they will be), it looks like I'm flying to Honolulu this coming Friday to help some folks sail their 48' sailboat to California. I dunno, sounds pretty awesome to me
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monsterzero posted:“sailing isnt expensive! sailing isnt expensive!!”, i continue to insist as I slowly shrink and transform into a bag of stainless hardware at least it's still too cold out to start working on the darn thing
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Neslepaks posted:Managed to swap my 3.5m berth for a 4.5m one. All set for an even bigger money hole I was prepared to have to use a mooring buoy (swing mooring? whatever it's called in English) for my first season, but I lucked out and just heard yesterday that I'll get a quayside berth, at least for this summer. Apparently another boat club member isn't using his spot this summer, so I'll get to use it second-hand, so to speak. Berths for a 12.5m boat are rather rare and usually expensive too, but this particular boat club charges berthing fees based on the boat's beam only (since that's what determines how much real estate it eats up on the quay), and mine's only 2.5m, so this is really neat! 
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monsterzero posted:Congrats! That’s pretty’s slender for a 36’, aren’t most boats that length about a meter wider? In imperial she's 41' long over all by 8' 2" beam, so yes, she's extremely long and narrow  I've posted about her here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=486664210 TheFluff fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Mar 21, 2019 |
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I can't wait either. Finally getting started on boat fixing next weekend. We've had some funny weather these past two weeks - 20C/68F during the day today but it'll be below freezing tonight. This week though I went out to the boat club to do my part and help out with preparing the docks. Got to see our berth for the first time too. Boat club's docks. There are a few brave souls who have kept their boats in the sea over winter.  View from the club house. Our berth is near the end of the outermost quay.  Soon...
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 hello there you know what's really hosed up imho? a 41ft grp boat has a lot of loving gelcoat on it, and that gelcoat needs - no, deserves - polishing  No but seriously though today was great. We didn't actually polish much yet, but we removed the cover tarps and gave the entire boat a good wash. We also got around to throwing out a bunch of horrifyingly 1970's tableware in various shades of brown, as well as some other odds and ends (the purchase was an all-inclusive deal, since the previous owner is 85 years old and doing the death cleaning thing, so we got everything and the kitchen sink - lifejackets, tools, spare parts, a garden hose exclusively used for washing the boat, etc etc - and we were told to just throw out or donate anything we didn't like).   You can clearly see where we've washed and where we haven't. Not up to Neslepaks' standards yet.
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Neslepaks posted:Btw shook a guy's hand on friday so she's sold.  Have you decided on what to get next? Will you be boatless this season?
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Spent the last two weekends doing a lot of polishing, cleaning every nook and cranny and general prep work. All done now, we launch on Friday. Poking around has of course given me a long list of projects though. Let me introduce you to Ms. Penta, who turns 40 years old this year. More specifically, it's an MD7, a 0.74 liter two-cylinder four-stroke diesel making 13 horsepower at the propeller shaft at 2600 rpm. The gray vertical tube on the left is the heat exchanger for the closed loop freshwater cooling system (installed at some point in the early 1990's), and one of the many items on my hit list for the immediate future involves it. I replaced the zinc anode at the top today, and for once internet forums posters agree with the manual that you need to replace this every year. The one that I took out has probably been there for at least 3-4 years and was pretty much completely gone. Some stuff that I can only describe as zinc mud fell down into the heat exchanger when I removed it. I don't think that's necessarily an immediate problem, but I'll have to remove the heat exchanger at some point and clean it. It may also be corroded inside; the green discolorations around the hose fittings are suspicious. A replacement one is 500€ Among other issues that need fixing as soon as feasible are some rather big cracks in the gelcoat around the tiller mounting and the seacock for the bilge pump (the thru-hull mounting itself looks fine, but the seacock is stuck open - it's above the waterline, but only barely). Electrical system probably needs an overhaul too, and I'd really like a new generator since the original is only 35A. Also, the pprevious owner saw no need to replace working lightbulbs until they broke, so both the interior lighting and the running lights are incandescent in tyol 2019. Wasting 10W of power on a tiny little bulb when I can use a 3€ LED that draws less than 1W is just bizarre though, so out they go. Other than that the entire boat is in... pretty dang nice shape, I'd say. Always a bunch of things to fix on a boat of course but almost everything I've poked around seems in good working order even though some things are a bit worn. The mainsail is from 2010 and very little used, furling jib from 2005 and similarly nice shape. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 22:33 on May 18, 2019 |
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BalloonFish posted:Nice. I'd agree that heat exchanger looks 'suspicious'. Especially with it being vertical it's probably got a bit of sludge and scale in the raw-water side (as well as old pump impeller blades blocking a couple of the tubes...) Man, that's pretty awesome that you got it actually running from a state like that. I'm not much of a mechanic - I have never owned a car, all the engine maintenance I've done has been on small marine diesels - so I'm really hoping to avoid any major internal repairs for the next few years. It ran perfectly when we bought the boat last fall (started without issues, basically no smoke, no weird vibrations, drove the boat at a steady 6 knots, ran up to near-redline without any complaints) and I have quite a bit of documentation that indicates it's been pretty well taken care of, so I'm hopeful. I think I'll tackle valve adjustment at some point this year at the very least though, just to have it done. Never done it before on any engine. The plan is to keep it for as long as it works. A new diesel in about the same size from one of the many firms that marine-ize small industry diesels (usually from Mitsubishi, Kubota or Lombardini) is at least 5000€, and a new saildrive is probably needed too, adding another 3000€ or so, and then you need to install the thing. The current saildrive (Volvo Penta 110S) has a very low gear ratio because of the original engine's low redline, and while there are adapters for many modern engines available, the newer ones almost universally have a 3600rpm redline and as far as I've understood it that would simply make the prop spin too fast. You can of course just get a bigger engine and run it slower, but that's also expensive, and never getting up to proper working temperature isn't good either. late edit: I should say the freshwater cooling loop is an aftermarket item. Volvo's OEM parts are hilariously expensive here too, but since there are so drat many Pentas in this country there's a pretty decent market for aftermarket parts, at least for the commonly serviced stuff. I can get all kinds of gaskets, thermostats, filters, pumps, exhaust elbows and even injectors without ruining myself, but rarer stuff is mostly unobtanium. I'm unsure if piston rings are available at all from anyone, for example. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 23:20 on May 19, 2019 |
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 We're live This is at the visitor dock, we leave for our new permanent berth on Thursday. Only ~45 nautical miles but it's our first real trip so I'm excited.
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In the EU the Recreational Craft Directive has some emissions restrictions for boat motors that are supposed to apply on "major engine modifications", but I have no idea how strict they are. I looked up a few small diesels sold as new today and all of them claim RCD compliance.MrYenko posted:
It's so pretty The type is called S-30, where the 30 originally referred to the intended sail area in square meters*. It's supposed to be a GRP imitation of the Scandinavian skerry cruisers (or square meter yachts) which were popular back in the 1910's and 1920's. Drawn up by Knud H. Reimers who was one of the big names for this type of boat. Most S-30's were built by a Swedish wharf called Fisksätra in the 1970's, but as production wound down around the early 1980's I believe there were a few sold as DIY kits. Around 300 were built in total. Mine is a late production example (1979) and has an updated doghouse that Reimers apparently wasn't a fan of (they got someone else to do it). It's very long (41 ft), narrow (just over 8ft beam), quite low freeboard and a lot of fun. I love it. They don't make 'em like this anymore! * The class association got together and agreed on an updated sail plan in the early 90's which increased the sail area by moving the forestay forward and increasing the size of the main triangle. These days she's carrying 42 sqm in just the main and the furling jib, and included in the purchase was also a 30 sqm genoa that I doubt I will ever use. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 21:45 on May 24, 2019 |
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Boat update: it leaks. Much like every boat ever. It's from above though and not from below, which makes it far easier to deal with. More specifically, in the cockpit floor there's a threaded brass mount for a table leg that hasn't been used for probably 20 years (there is a different system for mounting a table in the cockpit now), and it seems to have gradually worked itself loose from the sealant. The floor is a very period correct fiberglass-balsa wood sandwich, and the balsa around the mount has started to rot. Since the mount isn't used anymore (we don't even have the threaded rod that would fit in the blind hole) I'm thinking I should just get rid of the mounting entirely, scrape out a centimeter or three of rotten balsa, tape the bottom of the hole from below and then just fill the entire thing up with epoxi, and be rid of the problem once and for all. Thoughts?
TheFluff fucked around with this message at 17:06 on May 26, 2019 |
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May 26, 2019 16:58
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meltie posted:Do it. You might be scared to find out how far that rot's spread... but you probably need to know before you put your foot through it? Unfortunately I wouldn't be too surprised to find that the rot is rather widespread, yep. It's to be expected from a GRP boat this old - I've seen even worse on newer boats, and the fact that I've only found one leak is actually better than I expected. I'm not too thrilled with the idea of cutting up the entire floor though, so epoxy will have to do for now. It's mildly annoying that I didn't find this before I bought the boat or I could probably have gotten someone else to fix it on the previous owner's dime, or just saved myself some cash.
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May 26, 2019 18:00
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monsterzero posted:If it wasn’t that leak, it would be somewhere else. I rebedded all of my deck hardware this winter but I’m still getting rain in my bilge. All that’s left is the hull deck joint... The hole is about an inch in diameter, or maybe slightly smaller. I agree that just pouring pure epoxy in there is probably not a good idea, for several reasons - it's gonna be a lot of epoxy, for one, and pouring that much at once is gonna develop a lot of heat while it's setting. I was considering patching the bottom of the hole with fiberglass weave and epoxy, then doing ??? to the void in the middle (maybe fill it with plywood or something, as you say) and then sealing up the top with more epoxy/fiberglass. I do have access to the underside - it's cramped, but I can get in there. I don't mind scars that much because the hole is going to be under a wooden... what do you call it in English, duckboard? Floorboards with half-inch wide gaps between them? Anyway, it's really not very visible.  In this pic I'm standing in the cockpit facing aft (so aft is at the top of the image), with the floorboards removed. The floor immediately gets disgusting underneath it as soon as it rains, pretty much, but you can also see where the cross-beam supports for the floorboards sit when they're put in there. The offender is the round hole near the top. Underneath it is the rear compartment, with two bunks in kind of an U shape, with the bottom of the U towards aft. The hole and the leak is in the middle of the U, where the bunks are separated by the cockpit. There's maybe a foot of clearance between the rear compartment floor and the cockpit floor above it. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 19:18 on May 28, 2019 |
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May 28, 2019 19:02
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Big Taint posted:On the plus side, if the core is rotten it probably doesn’t go past that drip channel, so you’re looking at maybe 1 square foot of bad core. Once you get the fitting out you can poke around and see how soft it is. You can also tap with a hard plastic mallet and listen for bad core areas, the mallet will bounce if the core is good and thud where it’s bad. If it doesn’t extend too far from the hole you might be able to get away with just digging out the bad stuff and filling with thickened epoxy. Good advice, much appreciated. I don't think it's gonna be so bad - I already had the fitting out and felt around inside with just my fingers and I don't think the rot has spread that far (yet). Still quite a bit of work to fix though and I haven't worked with epoxy before so I'll need to practice on something first. For now I slathered some new sealant on there and put the fitting back in with the hope that it'll survive the summer without too much leaking, because right now I'd rather be doing this:  Got back from the real maiden voyage yesterday, made it safely to new home port despite some pretty lovely weather. In the inner parts of the Stockholm archipelago you can just stop and wait it out though.
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Jun 1, 2019 13:47
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Thunderstorms scare the poo poo out of me when I'm in a boat I've made a few spring trips! I'm going for a midsummer day trip on Friday with a few expat colleagues who have never set their foot on a sailboat before, that's gonna be fun. Then I work next week, but after that it's five weeks of vacation and hopefully five weeks of sailing. https://gfycat.com/entireyawningachillestang This is from the maiden voyage, basically a delivery trip. Sorta windy for our first trip with the boat - we were having winds around 18-22 knots sustained and more in the gusts. In the clip we're on a broad reach with one reef in the main (yes I know the luff needs tightening, it'll get better as we get used to the boat) and while I think the video on gfycat is too blurry to read, the log is reading around 6.75 knots. Should've taken in the second reef, as we discovered when we turned a corner and had to start tacking upwind. Boat runs great though - seems like she wants to do 6 and change knots most of the time in reasonable winds. 8 knots is doable on a beam reach.   Baltic sea best sea, fore-against-shore or bust 
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Jun 19, 2019 23:25
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I'm kinda concerned about the dead body on the right there. that's my sister you're talking about  She's just
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Jun 24, 2019 20:47
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Sailed Saturday morning - Thursday afternoon. Weather from completely becalmed and sunny over dense fog to all-day-rain and the occasional thunderclap. Having a cockpit tent is amazing and I can't believe I've sailed without one before.     Tjärven lighthouse (Fl(4) W 12S 12M) in the distance, where the Stockholm archipelago gives way to open sea. boat owns, sailing owns, that is all
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Jul 5, 2019 23:44
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Neslepaks posted:Looks hella nice, but idk how you managed to find such good weather this summer. It seems to be all wind and rain over here. I took the photos in the few hours of sunshine in between the rain showers  We did have quite a lot of rain and wind. We spent an entire day just sitting idle in a sheltered bay playing cards and board games (and replacing a seawater pump in the galley) while waiting for the rain to pass. That's why the cockpit tent is such a game changer - you can get in and out without making half the cabin wet. We did have some stronger winds but for the most part it stayed around 5-8 m/s (10-14 knots, ish) and that's almost ideal for this boat - we don't take in a reef until the average is above 8 m/s. I can't recommend swimming in the Baltic when it's like this, though. It's like 12-13°C (53-55°F) in the water. I did go in on two occasions, but it's not very pleasant.
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Neslepaks posted:I'm inching closer to making a very giant mistake... post pics of the mistake
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