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Cnut the Great posted:God is omnipotent. He doesn't have to prioritize some actions over others in order to properly manage his time. There are no limits on his ability. There's no inherent reason why he wouldn't give each and every individual human being personalized advice whenever they asked for it. If we're going to play high school philosophy, you can't know any of this. It's impossible to know anything about a creator god. All things, ideas, and concepts are necessarily created by God in such a universe, so the definitions of things like "omnipotent" can't possibly apply to God, as he created the definition of omnipotent. You can't really even say "God is", because God created the definition of "is" and the very concept and fact of "being" when he created the universe. If you genuinely believe in a god that created everything, you also have to accept the fact that your discussion of god necessarily ends with "god created everything". Every word, concept, idea, thought that you attempt to describe him with was created after he created the universe. Since he existed before those things, it's impossible that those things can define him.
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VitalSigns posted:Okay then we can't trust any supposed revelations either if our monkey-brains are too dumb to comprehend god, since there's no way to tell a true incomprehensible revelation from a false one. Yes, exactly. If god is the first thing that existed and everything else came from him, you have absolutely know way of knowing or understanding anything about him or his intentions. Really even the words I'm typing right now are kind of nonsense, referring to whatever god is as a "him" or saying he "is". Talking about God is basically incoherent as long as you adhere to the idea that he's omnipotent and created the universe. Some philosophers try to sidestep this by saying "Well, OK, so maybe certain concepts like 'being' and 'omnipotence' existed before God", but that implies that those properties are distinct from God and not necessarily unique to him, which kinda fucks up the whole idea of a single creator God who rules everything. And on different note, assuming that it's malevolence that would cause God to create a world where 90% of the people are damned makes a pretty big assumption that God created the world specifically so humans could pursue happiness and salvation. We could very well be the least consequential part of the whole shebang and just here to balance out some other random thing elsewhere. It's perfectly possible for God to create us specifically to be damned and have it not be malicious, as long as that existence and that damnedness serves some purpose in his design. Point is, talking about omnipotent beings is stupid. It's completely outside our frame of reference and our vocabulary is worthless for discussing it. This is why you wind up with 100000 denominations of everything. How can you agree on your religious principles when they're all based on concepts that in and of themselves can't be discussed coherently?
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