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Who What Now posted:You apply logic to every single other facet of your life, knowingly or unknowingly, and use it to determine how and why things are the way they are and to make sense of reality. And when the logic doesn't make sense you say to yourself, "Hold on this is right." And you find the problem and then correct it. No you don't. Very few of your actions are consciously arrived at by logical thought. Logic is difficult to do, limited in its application, and only under special circumstances is the result of using it an improvement. Today I have done thousands of things. I've thought logically about a handful of them.
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CommieGIR posted:No, even simple automated and instinctual actions required logical approach, regardless of if you gave them thought or not. Sure, not advanced intellectual logic, but logic is still present. No, logic is the use of reasoning. An instinctual or automated action occurs without reasoning.
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Dec 13, 2014 21:23
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CommieGIR posted:Some actions that require logical thinking in the first few tries eventually become mapped patterns that still use subconscious logical processes. And some (most) never required logical thinking at all.
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Dec 13, 2014 21:32
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:Give me an example Most physical actions - walking, catching, etc. Understanding the story of a film. Most 'decisions' about stuff you buy.
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Dec 13, 2014 21:47
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OwlFancier posted:Well yeah, but who just walks for no reason? If you walk it's because you want to go somewhere. If wanting to go somewhere is the result of logic, then praying is because you want to talk to God, the logic's no different. Logic, meaning the application of reason, is an extraordinarily limited way of interacting with the world. You do it infrequently and badly. The vast majority of actions you take in your life are either well below the level of logic, or are decisions arrived at by non-rational processes. Very, very rarely do you sit down and puzzle out something from the beginning. You'd take a year to get dressed if you worked it all out from first principles.
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Dec 13, 2014 23:51
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OwlFancier posted:I dunno about you but when I get dressed, I think about what I'm going to be doing, and decide what would be appropriate to wear. Based on expectations of dress code, the weather, whether I can take things off when I get there, what I have in the wardrobe, and whether I want to wear something in particular today. And that's pretty easy because 90% of what I own is black and formal, because I don't like to spend a long time thinking about what to wear. So you evaluate every piece of clothing you have against dimensions of dress code, weather, ability to change, and internal emotional state? How long do you spend analysing your model for weighting these criteria? What data do you capture to assess the success of your choice? Or do you actually not think too hard on it, just go with it, and wear what you wear 90% of the time anyway?
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Dec 14, 2014 00:16
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bobtheconqueror posted:we don't really use logic perfectly on a regular basis, cause that's hard and boring and gets into epistomological issues that most people don't even know about. Precisely. Faith is the same way. Applying reason to it is boring and gets into a bunch of dull unimportant stuff really quickly ("is God being omnipotent compatible with free will?" is not a question of any real importance to faith). So don't bother, just like you don't bother with most of the rest of the stuff in your life.
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Dec 14, 2014 13:31
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bobtheconqueror posted:Are you actually trying to say that accepting God based on faith alone is the right thing to do because it's easy; that questioning God is difficult, so why bother? No. I'm saying that applying reason to faith doesn't work. Reason is not the be-all and end-all of how we interact with the world; in fact, it is very limited in its application. Applying reason to faith is simply a mistake, it doesn't make sense, it's not why people have faith.
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