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Has the best commentators, especially when you can hear them laughing in the background https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPxSn69pcc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia9b-HNGEIw even better when they talk to the crowd! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKvzkn5GQkM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKHieHIDg00 Ewan fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Nerdfest X posted:Could someone who understands both cricket and American baseball explain some of the tactics that are still hard to grasp for us stupid Yanks, please? Could someone who understands both cricket and American baseball explain some of the tactics that are still hard to grasp for us stupid Yanks, please? This is what I understand: A bowler hitting the wicket = strike out Leg before wicket - not Hit by Pitch, but more like interference (out) Yes, but only if the umpire believes that the ball would've hit the wicket. There are some more subtle rules as well about where it bounced and where it hit, but I won't go in to those Caught fly ball = same in both, you (the batter) are out 6 runs = home run Not quite - you get 6 "points". You can also score 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 rarely. But the mechanism through which it happens (ball over boundary without bouncing) is the same. 4 runs = ground rule double Kind of. All it has to do is "touch" or roll past/bounce over the boundary (usually a rope on the floor). It can roll at 1mph, still be on the pitch, but if it touches that rope it's 4. Only 2 bases ("wickets"), home plate (batsman "on strike" here), and the other home plate (other batsman here), which can switch for ?reasons? Putting aside "fours" and "sixes", the fundamental way to score is by the two batsmen (both are "current") running between the two wickets (the pitch has identical wickets at both ends) after hitting the ball. Each time they switch ends, they get 1 run. They have to judge how many times they can switch places ("run") before the fielding team gets the ball back to the wickets - if they are mid-way through switching places ("running") when the fielding team gets the ball back and strikes the wicket, the one running towards that wicket is out (not necessarily the same guy who hit it). This is called "run out". A "four" or a "six" negates the need to physically run. If they get an even number of runs (incl 0), the same batsman will be on strike for the next ball. If they get an odd number, his partner will be on strike. There is another way the batsmen "switch" strike: Every six balls (called an "over"), the fielding team switches bowler and they bowl from the other end - the batsmen stay where they were, which means the second batsman will be on strike (unless the last hit was an odd score). I get that the fielding positions have a lot of odd naming conventions, depending on where they (the defensive player) are in the field in relationship to the position/facing of the current batter. Yes, yes they do. Silly mid-off, long-on, deep fine leg, third man, slips, gullies... all of these are very common positions I understand that in cricket some players are primarily bowlers, while others are primarily batsmen, but it seems like everyone has to do both. In baseball this is not the case. Pitchers often have to bat, but they completely suck at it, and if a batter pitches, it is due to extreme circumstances, and often the height of hilarity (batters stink at pitching 10 times worse than pitchers stink at batting). Incorrect. You have bowlers, you have batsmen, and you have all-rounders (who are good at both). A team is 11. Everyone has to bat (unless you win before you get there), but a lot of the bowlers are hilariously bad and will be the last up. Only a few players will bowl (4-6 generally) - in simple terms, you'll have a few "fast" bowlers, and a few "spin" bowlers. Some might be good batsmen too (Andrew "Freddie" Flintoff, for example), but there will be many batsmen you will never see bowl. Depending on the type of game (test, one day), there will often be limits on how many "overs" a bowler can bowl Is there a "bowling rotation" (in that particular game) like in baseball there is a "pitching rotation?" (in that week) Does everyone bat? Does everyone pitch? Is it a requirement for everyone to bat and/or pitch? see above Do managers try to set up bowling/batting match ups for certain advantages vs. the other team? (My best guy vs. your best guy, OR my best guy [very good bowler] vs. your not-so-best guy [terrible batsman] ie; easy out) Yes, but it's a bit more complex. In a test match, you'll normally start with your fast bowlers. This is because they are often harder to score runs against, and takes advantage of the nice new shiny ball. You are more concerned about keeping their score down than getting them out quickly. Depending on how soft/messed up the pitch is, you'll often bring in in your spin bowlers a bit later - they prefer a scratched up ball. But, some spin bowlers give away a lot of runs so it can be risky. You often switch it up to give the bowlers a rest (fast bowlers get knackered), and to keep the batsman on his toes. You'll often find, at the end, a fast bowler brought in to bowl against the shittest players as they often can't cope with 80mph+. All of this is very very subjective though, and depends upon the pitch, the quality of bowler (you might have a super good spin bowler, but only average fast bowlers (like Australia in 90s), the type of batsman, and the type of match (test, one day, etc). The other thing you can do is adjust your field. You can have an "agressive" field, where you have lots of slips (the guys just behind and to the side of the batsman) and close fielders - these can then catch any mishits - but it means a good batsman can easily hit "fours" because no one guards the boundary. Or - you can have a very "defensive" field, where you have your fielders far out to stop "fours", meaning they can only easily score 1s and 2s. In a test match, you'll see a lot more defensive fielding, whereas in a short match (one day or Twenty20 - more on that below) you'll get more aggressive fielding (and more agressive batting). Right, and now some extra info to confuse you! There are 11 (!) ways for a batsman to get out. The first five are the main ones, you rarely see the others. Bowled (bowler hits wicket) LBW (leg before wicket - bowled ball hits batsman's leg. Ball must've been on way to hit wicket. If it bounces outside line of leg stump - not out. If it hits outside of off-stump and batsman playing a shot: not out. If it hits bat before leg: not out. Ball doesn't have to bounce. Fielding team must "appeal" to the umpire if they think it's out "HOOWWWZZAATTTT?!?!?") Run out (fielders get ball back to wicket while batsmen still "running") Caught (fielder catches hit ball before it bounces) Stumped (wicket keeper (backstop) hits the wickets with the ball/hand after batsman steps outside of his area -see image below) Hit wicket (batsman accidentally hits his own wicket with bat/body (or his helmet fall off onto it, which happened a few years ago! Rare) Hit ball twice (unless ball was going to hit the wicket, in which case you are allowed to - very rare) Timed out (batsman took too long to get on the pitch to replace someone else - very rare) Retired (batsman walks off - very rare) Handled ball (batsman touches ball with his hand (not incl hand holding bat). requires fielding team to "appeal". Very rare) Obstructing the field (getting in the way of a fielder. very rare) Description of "stumped":  You can see the dude has completely missed the ball, and is way outside of his area ("crease" - the white line). Assuming the ball misses the stumps directly, all the wicket keeper has to do, is catch the ball and while holding it knock the stumps. This will be out by being "stumped". Finally, a description of the types of matches: First Class (colloquially called "test" cricket, but that is only a subset of this) This is over 3 or more days (5 for "test", 4 for county cricket). Each team has two innings. To win, you must have scored more runs and have got the whole of the opposing team out twice. If neither team is completely out twice, then it is a draw. All players wear all white. Ball is dark red. Each day is typically 80-90 overs (sets of six balls bowled). A batting team can "declare" if they choose, which means they finish their innings. They might do this if they have scored a lot of runs, but are worried they might run out of time to get the whole of the other team out. An example score might be: Day 1 - England score 200 runs, 7 out. End of day, Engand still in score 200-7 Day 2 - England score another 40 runs, 3 out at 11am (England end of 1st innings, 240). Australia score 300 runs, 3 out. End of day, Australia still in, score 300-3. Day 3 - Australia score another 100, but 7 out, by 3pm. Australia end of 1st innings, 400. England come in, score 170, 3 out, then end of day. Day 4 - England score another 330 runs, only 4 more (=7) out, but "declare" at 4pm to give themselves time to bowl Australia out. Australia come in, score 30, none out, end of day. Now, we're on Day 5. The score is: England 740, and have had both innings. Australia 430, but have one whole innings to go. So if: England get all of the Australians out before they reach 310 (and before day 5 ends (normally 6pm)) = England win (if Aus were "all out" for 300, then "England wins by 10 runs") Australia get 311+ before day 5 ends = Australia wins (if they scored 311 with 6 out, then "Australia wins by 5 wickets"). Australia don't get 341+, but at end of day 5 still have players left in = draw (even if the final score is like ENG 740 - 600 AUS, if Aus have players left they draw). England get all of the Australians out, and they get 340 exactly = a "tie" (very rare) One day Each team gets 1 innings each of 50 (international) or 40 (some county) overs. Remember an over is a "set of six balls". This is more fast paced, and there is no "draw" - all you need to do to win is get more runs than the other team - you don't have to get them all out. "Ties" are possible, and more common than test, but still rare. Players tend to wear coloured kits, and the ball is often white. There are often limits over where you can put fielders (to avoid having a too-defensive field). A 50 over game lasts 5ish hours. If a team gets less than 50 to bat (say because of rain), there is a complex formula to predict the amount of runs they would have achieved. Twenty20 Makes the elitists cringe. Relatively new invention. Pretty much same rules as one day, but rather than 50/40 overs each, you get 20 overs each. This is to make it more of a crowd pleaser - the format encourages big hits and more risky play, making it more exciting. A game lasts about 2 hours. You get cheerleaders. The same players play the different formats, but some might be better at others (e.g. a defensive batsman will be great for test, but not so good for Twenty20). How it works in competition "Test" cricket This refers to the 5 day matches played between teams from the test nations (UK, Aus, S.Africa, NZ, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe). There is no international format competition (i.e. no "world cup") - instead one team will play another in a series of 5/7 games, the overall winner being the one who wins more games. These are scheduled in a way to ensure all countries play each other over a period of a few years, so that there can be an official ranking table. (S. Africa is currently top). Test series will often be combined with a few One Day International matches too, and maybe a couple of Twenty20s for good measure. One regular and famous series is The Ashes - this is an England vs Australia series of 5 matches that is held at least once every four years (venue alternates between England and Aus). International competitions There are a few international competitions, all either One Day or Twenty20. This includes the Cricket World Cup (one day matches - once every four years, includes the 10 "test nations" plus qualifying teams.) The ICC World Twenty20 is the Twenty20 equivalent, and is every 2 years. Domestic competitions In the UK, domestic cricket is played by counties. The four-day format competition is a league of 18 counties. There is also a one-day Cup (which includes Scotland and for some reason the Netherlands), and a Twenty20 cup.
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Nerdfest X posted:On the subject of "declares"....... Yes, it is a gamble. It's a balance between having enough runs in the lead that they won't catch up, but giving yourself enough time left in the game to get them all out. Sometimes you might declare, and then the other team steams ahead and wins. When would you declare due to time? Is there a clock? Is it real time, where the clock keeps running regardless of play on the field (your football, what we call soccer) or is it closely monitored to only elapse time while there is something actually happening during the game (basketball/hockey)? There is no "clock" per se. For a 4/5 day game, it will typically run from about 11am til 6pm, with a couple of breaks (lunch and tea). For one day or Twenty20, it is done on numbers of overs (sets of six balls). If the game is delayed, then the umpire can reduce the number of overs. So if it's a 50 over game, and the start is delayed by 2 hours due to rain, the umpire might say "Ok, both teams will only play 30 overs". Or, if the first team plays 50, but then rain causes the second team to only get 30, that is where a special (complicated) formula is applied to the second team's score to "predict" what they would have got if they'd played the full 50. The formula/rule is known as "Duckworth-Lewis" (no, this is not a joke). Are there defensive specialists? Like a player whose batting is sub-par, can't bowl worth a lick, but can play silly point better than anyone else in the league. Do defensive players play the same general area match to match? Simply put, you will generally get picked based upon one of 4 reasons: 1. you are a very good batsman (appreciating there are different styles) 2. you are a very good bowler (again appreciating different types - you wouldn't pick 5 spin bowlers and no fast) 3. you are good/very good at both (an all-rounder) 4. you are a good wicket keeper that can also bat OK. (wicket keeper is a specialist position). Within this, you might be placed in the field depending on what you are good at (there will be players who are very good slips, a fielding position that requires good reflexes and agility, for example). But being a good fielder (e.g. "good at silly point") is a highly unlikely reason to be picked. Do bowlers who are no good at batting just go up there with the intention of not even trying because they are awful at it? They will normally go up to bat with one of two mindsets (these are my own terms): 1 - SLOG. For this, they will try and smash the ball as hard as they can - this means they might get a few fours or sixes before they get out. They won't last long, but will hopefully get a decent number of runs. Of course this risks them getting out v quickly having scored nothing. 2 - DIG IN. Often if it's very close to the end of the match (or end of the day) and your team is on the brink of losing, you may want to simlpy stay in to try and force a draw. This means they won't try and get any runs, just simpy avoid getting out by playing the safest shots possible. However, you need to be a skilled batsman to do this well, so this is difficult. Some teams might employ a "night watchman" - this is someone who is good at digging in but "sacrificable" (normally a bowler who is OK at batting). They would be put in towards the end of the day when the light is failing - this means you don't risk losing your good batsmen in the dark light, where it's easier to get out because you can't see the ball so well. The batsmen line-up: Is it usually best-to-worst as far as batting order? I'm sure certain situations arise where this can change (Player A, our best batter, for some reason has bad luck vs. Player X, the other team's 1st bowler, so lets move him down in the line-up). Pretty much, but your best two are normally at 3 & 4. 10/11 will always be the worst. The order is decided beforehand, but can be switched up if you want to put in a night watchman or whatever. It would be very rare to adjust batting order for a bowler - the fielding team can change bowlers at will so they'd just change them. How many runs are expected from a typical at-bat from the 1st few batsmen? Can one batsmen theoretically stay at bat indefinitely (time permitting)? Are there batsmen who routinely hit for sixes and/or fours and do so multiple times in a row? It varies across different formats of cricket. But in general, a half century (50) and a century (100) are considered to be good milestones. It's rare but not impossible to get 200+. The record is 400. There are batsmen who are known to be "sloggers" - those that will tend to get more sixes/fours than others (say, Kevin Pietersen), whereas others are more classical defensive batsmen who stay in for a long time but score slowly (e.g. Paul Collingwood). You have a statistic known as a "strike rate" which is a measure of how fast you score runs (it's runs per 100 balls). A run rate of 100 means you are scoring 1 run for every ball you face - it is rare, and you'd only really see it in a Twenty20, or for the last couple of batsmen in a test match who might only face 3 bals, but hit a 6 (getting a s/r of 200). In test cricket, a strike rate of 40 is considered good (although as low as 20 would be fine for your first up on day 1, or if you're digging in for a draw). In one day, you're aiming more for ~70, and in Twenty20, even higher. Would the 2 current batsmen forgo a run, to keep it even, in order to keep the same batsman facing the same bowler? Like they could have switched places, but choose not to, because "I own this guy, but you have problems vs. him. Let's let me keep batting against him" Sometimes. It's more likely if you're in a situation where you have one very good batsman and one very poor (maybe number 3 is still in when they get to number 10), then they will likely try and keep the better one on strike as much as possible (within reason). Have they instituted video replay to help make on-field decisions? Yes. To varying degrees. Generally, the Umpire can call for a Third Umpire to help with a decision, who will then review TV replays. For some decisions they also use acoustic sensors (snickometer), infrared images (hotspot), and 3D ball-tracking simulation (HawkEye) to help with the decision. More recently, some competitions allow a "review" system where the teams have a set number of Reviews, where they can ask for a video replay if they disagree with the umpire. They might be allowed 2 Reviews - if they are proven correct then the number stays the same, whereas if the are incorrect they lose a Review (similar to how it works in tennis). Examples: Hotspot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CTfREipYxc In this situation, the umpire gives OUT for LBW. The Batsman disagrees and asks for it to be reviewed. The "hotspot" shows that the ball hit the bat before it hit his pad, and therefore is NOT LBW and the decision is reversed. Snickometer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H96PPrwVxMs In this situation, "snickometer" shows that the bat did not hit the ball (the noise the umpire heard was the bat hitting the ground), so the umpire should not have given it out (he gave it out for caught). This was before the teams were allowed to ask for a review of decisions so he stayed out. Hawkeye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQA4mmdxhE In thsi video, the team appeals for LBW but the umpire says no. HawkEye shows it actually should have been given. In this instance it was only used for the benefit of the TV audience, but it is used for Third Umpire / Review decisions too. And bonus "hotspot" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKHieHIDg00 Ewan fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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