Latin America: the fires immediately died down, because they needed socialism to burn

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Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

TheIneff posted:

That's an incredibly depressing way to poo poo all over the entirety of a legacy considering that that book is literally the only reason why people know he exists outside of Latin America.

Soccer in Sun & Shadow is pretty famous. I read it when I was like 10 and had no idea yet why USA was apparently so bad.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2015 00:53

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# ¿ May 6, 2024 05:11

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

PT couldn't implement Full Communism and are now going for Full Sebastianism instead.

# ¿ May 30, 2015 01:06

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

I liked this bit in Jonathan Wilson's article about Boca - River:

quote:

The one advantage South American football still has over Europe is the sense of authenticity, the idea that this matters.

That�s why videos of Boca training in a stadium so packed the local municipality closed it down on safety grounds went viral last Thursday. It is easy to be seduced by the colour, the passion. The problem is that in Argentina, that tends to come with violence. The reasons are manifold and extend far beyond football.

�How do we not lose our DNA?� Dom�nguez asked. �We think about that every time we make decisions. I will not tolerate more violence.

�Passion has nothing to do with violence. People might not understand those things could live apart, think that is part of our tradition. We can have passion, live crazy for our teams, but we will not allow violence.� Which sounds fine, but how on earth do you begin to change a culture so embedded?

And why do people care so much? What is the source of that passion? That, perhaps, is the most uncomfortable question of all. It is commonplace to discuss passion for a football club as an unquestionable good, but how healthy is it, really, for people to tie their self-esteem quite so tightly to the results of a football club?

What does that say for the other institutions from which meaning might be derived?

# ¿ Nov 26, 2018 13:16

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

You can just read Camacho's Wikipedia article if you trust that more

# ¿ Nov 12, 2019 12:49

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Is adding a distinct H sound at the start of some words that start with a vowel a Chilean thing? I've long wondered it mostly because of this song https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OORCSsbHU6Y (1:00 onwards) where her "en" is very clearly "hen"

# ¿ Jan 26, 2022 19:46

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Elias_Maluco posted:

Im sincerely a bit baffled of how radically Russia was unanimously condemned and isolated

It's because this is the first war since god knows when where no one believes the invaders are correcting some sort of evil. America at least has the good sense to bomb tinpot dictators who no one ever genuinely liked, but the worst you can say about Ukraine is that their democracy is somewhat dysfunctional. No one outside Russia has ever bought into the nazi nuke garbage

# ¿ Mar 3, 2022 19:05

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Interesting conversation to follow from Finland, a country whose relationship with Russia is really quite close to that of Mexico and the US

# ¿ Jun 12, 2022 20:53

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Also, like, who supported and installed the current fascists in Russia currently committing genocide in Ukraine? It's Uncle Sams all the way down.

This is how American leftists think: the US is the only country that truly matters, so everything bad in the world must be America's fault. Whether it's "NATO escalation" or Russia's fascism being a US import, other countries don't have genuine agency, they're all American puppets in essence

# ¿ Jun 14, 2022 15:49

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

i fly airplanes posted:

This would be a mischaracterization, unless you can explain a bit more.

Mexico and US are core allies -- even if they have rocky relationships between different administrations -- the economies are intertwined, there is significant bilateral cooperation, and Mexicans are one of the largest populations in the US.

On the other hand, Finland has far higher living standards than Russia?

Obviously Finland is a small prosperous country, while Mexico is a large very unequal one, but both have a 200+ year history trying to deal with a much more powerful, aggressive and capricious empire next door. And what I was more generally thinking was: for European leftists, opposition to American imperialism is a standard confession of faith, our sympathies have always been with Latin America, and Cuba, Chile, Guatemala, Nicaragua etc etc are all familiar stories to us. So many of us have been quite astonished to see leftists world over equivocating, defending Russia and going full realpolitik after the war broke out. When the US invaded Iraq (to take the most obvious example), only spineless centrists said things like "we shouldn't necessarily provoke the US, there's no benefit in taking sides for us, both sides are bad". So in Finland it makes a lot of us wonder, if it was us instead of Ukraine, would these people be saying "look at how they treat the Roma, remember they allied with the Nazis, it's a racist country, and the welfare state was built on brutal extractivism" - all things that are true, but completely pointless compared to what the monstrous regime in Russia is doing

# ¿ Jun 16, 2022 08:17

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Party In My Diapee posted:

We aren't defending Russia, we are pointing out the problem that the west gets a free pass for their imperialism. Suddenly the US, France, NATO etc. is "good" when it opposes the other imperialist powers. Ignoring that if the US did the same as Russia no sanctions or consequences would be mentioned. Let us stop Russia from invading and killing, but not while standing next to the other bloody states that act the same. Punish all aggression equally and you would have an argument.

But that's a position of cruel indifference towards the Ukrainians (and the Russians fwiw). The logic is that because the west has been monstrous towards the Iraqis, as we undeniably have been, the Ukrainians deserve an equally monstrous fate. That does not appear principled or ethically consistent to me, but like amoral point-scoring

# ¿ Jun 16, 2022 10:25

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Elias_Maluco posted:

Thats cool and all but you know is empty. Anyone can say �USA bad! boo!� from anywhere. It does nothing. I can also condemn Russia from my porch here and that also does nothing

Of course, but that's sort of the point - why do a lot of leftists draw all these hedges and brackets and ifs and buts around Russian imperialism, when nothing is actually at stake for them? I know why politicians do it, but why do anonymous internet posters engage in this sort of diplomatic whitewashing? Even if we take a purely pragmatic global view and forget about the Ukrainians specifically, it's Russia who have created the food and energy price spike by starting a war. Or, from an anti-war socialist point of view, it's Russia who have provoked a renewed militarisation in Europe and a new wave of NATO expansion. It's not even very sound realpolitik to think that could've been avoided

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# ¿ May 6, 2024 05:11

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

I'm probably misremembering a lot of context, but didn't Lava Jato backfire massively on the centrist Temer, Cunha &c. crowd who it was supposed to help to power? Like, I don't think they wanted someone as obviously stupid and horrible as Bolsonaro to take over. Moro joined forces with him ofc but the general impression I got from abroad was that Bolsonaro is just a clown who struck lucky after all the corruption talk and after PT fielded a drab, unpopular candidate

# ¿ Jun 22, 2022 20:25

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