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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Markovnikov posted:

Anyone in Latin America who calls for a military takeover should have their genitals connected to a car battery until they understand/remember what the latest coups in the region were like. Or maybe I'm misremembering and the last one in Brazil wasn't so bad?

Has there ever been a "righteous coup" in the history of humanity? A coup that deposes a genuinely corrupt leader, without bloody purges or civil wars, and that doesn't overstay its welcome? I'll even be generous and give them a couple of freebie kills on coup day.

The military regime in the 70s in Peru was leftist in orientation and tried to do a lot of good stuff, so maybe that one.

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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Siselmo posted:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/leading-mexico-journalist-carmen-aristegui-sacked-mvs-broadcaster-150316062758717.html

Someone brought it up before, but seriously this is a big deal. Aristegui is one of the few journalists that actually calls out government corruption and is also one of the few that people still trust. With Mexicoleaks and the house of the First Lady that is worth millions this has become one hot mess. Others like Lorenzo Meyer and Denisse Dresser have also quit. Mexican twitter is exploding and I've even seen a few "Je suis Carmen" or similar thrown around"


I know :(. I live in Tijuana and things over here have gone pretty bad (the dollar is almost grazing $15 pesos jesus christ). The raise in taxes from last year has killed a lot of local business (and it seems that California is taking advantage of it), everything is so goddamn expensive. It feels pretty hopeless, you know? Like, no matter what people do, it won't get better.

What's worst is that at this rate, my state may vote PRI again. Why, Baja California, Why :negative:

How have you (and Mexicans in general, if you think you can speak for them) perceived EPN's attempt to focus on the economy and pretend the security situation is doing fine? It looks ridiculous to me, but I also know some Mexican exchange students who are very quick to point out that not everywhere in Mexico is plagued by drug violence and who get offended by thinks like Pope Francis' "Mexicanization" comment.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Deep 6 posted:

I lived in Buenos Aires in 2010 and 2011. I moved there with only a very general sense of political and socioeconomic goings-on, and deliberately kept my nose out of politics there, primarily because I found living under and following US/Philadelphia politics to be, basically, exhausting. Overall, my time there was was great, and not that unlike my life in my home city for me. For reference, I'm an artist living in a poor-rear end area of Philly and making less than $30k/year through the internet. I rented a cheap room in a bland residential part of Buenos Aires (San Cristobal) while making a bit less money. Aside from Buenos Aires' much more visible and present homeless and dirt-poor population, more of my friends than not being mugged on the street at one point or another (as well as myself), and my occasionally running into people with some bafflingly backwards sociopolitical views, as I said before, things were about the same as far as my standard of living and what I was doing go.

I'm considering moving back there sometime soon. All of the news I've been privy to lately coming out of Argentina has seemed pretty grim, and I get the impression that a bunch of things have gotten worse while basically nothing has gotten better. What I'm mostly interested in with this post is how these things have affected/will affect life for someone like me there. I've talked to an Argentine friend or two and they say that it's basically the same as when I left, but things like the restrictions on/bullshit surrounding imports that I've read about in this thread seem like the type of indicators of a coming-apart-at-the-seams that could be or turn into the basis of some real depressed and volatile conditions. Can anyone comment on that?

I've also been entertaining the notion of moving to Uruguay instead. I've visited there a bunch of times and pretty much everybody I've met there/talked to about it has had a lot of great things to say. On paper it seems like a pretty stable and well-rounded place to live, but there must be more to it than that that I'm not aware of. Like a page or two back when someone mentioned how Uruguay genocided its native population. Are there any big negatives about Uruguay that you would have someone like me know before deciding to move there? Are there any good reasons not to move there?

I wish I had something to contribute, but hopefully this will be interesting to someone. I'm learning a lot from this thread, thanks yall.

From an outsider's perspective, whatever's going on now will probably change after the next president is inaugurated. Macri and Scioli are more market oriented than Cristina and things will probably open up, especially if Macri wins. I'm not sure if there will be a crisis, but if it does it will probably happen relatively soon.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

New poll says 60% favor Dilma's impeachment :ughh:

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Markovnikov posted:

I'm pretty sure it'll take at least a minor crisis to get out of the rut we are in. And lol if you think Macri will make things better, at best we would get another 90's.


Genociding aboriginals is like a rite of passage for any American nation so I don't really know why people are so shocked by it when even the U S of A did it.

RE: Uruguay, yeah, their main problem is that poo poo is very expensive there. Things were like twice the price they were here in Bs As last time I visited. I have family in Uruguay, and when they come here they are always buying books and clothes and bathroom supplies (parfum, shampoo, etc) and taking it back. Otherwise, they are doing well nowadays, but LA countries are always caught up in some boom-bust cycle. They are far ruraler/chiller than Argentina, and you wont get the cosmopolitan-esque quality of Bs As even in Montevideo.

Yeah Macri won't make things long-term better, but "The Markets" will decide that he can Make Tough Choices so there will be less pressure.

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Cunha and Temer ruling the country is going to own so much. It's going to be like having Frank Underwood as president but somehow even worse.

The reaction to this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen, if these people are serious. There is no way anyone can believe that the way to fight corruption in Brazil is to make someone from the loving PMDB president.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/03/30/world/americas/ap-lt-brazil-rising-right.html?ref=americas&_r=1

quote:

He began posting satiric videos to YouTube, which gained a following. He joined two digital media collectives and produced more clips. Along the way, Kataguiri read the works of free-market economists Milton Friedman and Ludwig Von Mises.

His videos, in which he and his cohorts often don wacky costumes and dress up as political figures such as Fidel Castro, caught the eye of Danilo Gentili, a top late-night TV comedian who fiercely lampoons the government. The comedian asked Kataguiri and other young, anti-Rousseff producers and designers to help create a sketch before the October presidential runoff vote, which saw Rousseff narrowly beat her more conservative, market-friendly opponent.

Today, Kataguiri and the Free Brazil Movement team work from an office that has a tech-startup feel, with two brown leather couches and a clothes rack holding costumes used in their videos. Tequila and mescal bottles sit along a bookshelf holding Rand Paul's "The Tea Party Goes to Washington" and Russell Kirk's "The Politics of Prudence."

Kataguiri and others in the group believe the best remedy for Brazil's corruption is the expansion of free-market views and making the government smaller and more fiscally responsible — following classic tenets of American conservatism.

Jesus Christ.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Arkane posted:

That article gives me a lot of hope for Brazil. The fixes for the massive corruption and economic malaise certainly aren't going to come from Rousseff.

I don't think they'll come from Rand Paul either.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

joepinetree posted:

Yeah, that is crazy. Olavo de Carvalho went from being the butt of many jokes on Orkut to being unironically quoted by relatively mainstream people. For non-Brazilians, Olavo de Carvalho is an ultra conservative "philosopher" and astrologist. No, the last part is not a joke. He is an honest to god astrologist. He at one point even had an article about how astrology explained the end of the cold war.

Oh, and it is always fun to point out that the majority of the founders of the so called "mbl" are graduates from public universities, where they studied for free.

We may never see their like again, thanks to the perfidy of the movimento negro and their dastardly quotas.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

goatse.cx posted:

This guy can't be for real. American Christian nationalism is the last bastion against Russochinese-Islamist globalism? What?

This is the man who will save Brazil from becoming the new Cuba #ForaPT

I'm going to an event at my university about Brazilian media next week, will report back with anything interesting.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Just saw an article about this:



Holy poo poo :psyduck:

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

TheImmigrant posted:

I was asking because I know a few Brazilians who bristle at being called Latin American or Hispanic.

"Latin American" and "Hispanic" mean different things.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Ulvino posted:

What the Christ, Ollanta... :psyduck:

I think he changed his position on mining literally as soon as he got elected and now everyone hates him.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

I'd definitely be interested. Just be sure to use the FUERA GRINGOS tag.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Can any of the Brazil posters explain to me what "terceirização" is, in terms of whatever this law the Congress wants to pass? I've read a couple articles about it and I'm still sort of confused.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Elias_Maluco posted:

"terceirização" is like when a big company hires a specialized company to take care of their security or cleaning or IT, instead of hiring the staff for this functions directly. This is already legal.

What changes is basically that if this new law passes, a car factory would be able to hire another company to actually work building cars on their factories, which is not legal now (you can only "tercerize" auxiliary functions like security etc).

So is this a way to undermine unions?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

PerpetualSelf posted:

Latin American approval figures are pointless. People tend to support anyone who actually does anything in office be the effects positive or negative for the nation.

Then why are Maduro and Fernández so low? :v:

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

One of the PCdoB deputies voted "yes" for the terceirizção law :shepface:

For those who don't know, the C stands for "comunista."

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Someone mentioned how much middle class Brazilians love to imitate Europe, well now their center-left political parties are imitating New Labour :v:

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Is there a provision in the constitution for Congress overriding a presidential veto?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

joepinetree posted:

Yes. For congress to override a veto they have to have a simple majority of all seats (i.e., not just more votes of those present) to do it. In congress they already had way over the number needed, and in the senate they could easily get that (all it would take is 12 senators from the "government" side to vote with the opposition).

welp

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

wateroverfire posted:

Now let me tell you why TPP is the next step in Chilean economic development. :smuggo:


I think you're looking at it the wrong way. It makes things better for people who don't have jobs, for one.

Brazil has a 4% unemployment rate. lovely employment, on the other hand...

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007



:yayclod:

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Cristina never disappoints at these summits.

"It's hard to believe what the US is doing in Venezuela...much like it's hard to believe what the UK is doing in las Malvinas!!!" Although she did say some true things about the drug war.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007



I'm not sure which part of this, if any, is photoshopped.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Just read the first puff piece about Mauricio Macri, from the AP. I love how the wire services do one for the center right candidate in every Latin American election.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Looks like that whole coup business in Honduras was a big mistake. Whoops!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/honduran-judges-throw-out-single-term-limit-on-presidency

The Guardian posted:

The supreme court in Honduras has voided a single-term limit for the country’s presidency — the issue at the heart of the political conflict that led to the ouster of socialist incumbent Manuel Zelaya six years ago when he sought to hold a referendum on rewriting the constitution.

The push by the governing National party to make the change, which would permit President Juan Orlando Hernandez to seek a second term, has drawn widespread criticism from the opposition, which notes the same politicians behind it were involved in the 2009 coup against Zelaya.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Yggdrassil posted:

Exactly. He has been interviewing politicians during these last years. He sucks at it, but he does get to interview some interesting people, like Martin Lousteau.

Speaking of Martin Lousteau, can someone explain to me what's going on with ECO/UNEN/FAP/CC? It seems like every month Carrió is doing something crazy.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Yggdrassil posted:

Carrió is a weird creature indeed. On the one hand, she has been denouncing a myriad of irregularities during the current government, and she herself is pretty much pristine as far as corruption cases go. On the other hand, she as a person is extremely visceral, she lacks charisma and has a terrible history of failing one election after the other. In my personal opinion, desperation has lead her to siding with Mauricio Macri (from the PRO party), who represents many of the things she was actually against.

She was with Lousteau in UNEN before, but had a fight with other leaders from the UNEN coalition. The most known anecdote was one in which she left in the middle of a speech given by one of her peers, Pino Solanas. This ended up in the dissolution of the original UNEN.

So are Binner and Solanas still working together, or did the whole thing fall apart? I can't imagine either working with Macri.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

I know it might be different down there but populism became a really overused word in Brazil, specially regarding welfare policies regarding the lower classes.

Even some of my books from Latin American politics classes said the Bolsa Família could be looked at as vote-buying. I just rolled my eyes.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

So how about those teachers in Paraná?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Dias posted:

See, it's not about how you protest, it never is. It's about who is protesting.

Protesto que pede Intervenção Militar é tratado com Educação. Protesto que pede Educação é tratado com Intervenção Militar.

(I stole this from someone else)

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Reports say Canada, the US, and Uruguay are the top consumers of cocaine. Welcome to the First World, guys!

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

I hear the Mexican government is declaring all out war on the new cartel, because that worked out so well last time.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Azran posted:

Unrelated but it reminds me of that one time in a 20th Century Politics class where they showed a video of ISIS using T55s and other Soviet equipment and the professor claiming "See? American equipment denotes this as a false flag operation of sorts".

Is this the same professor that told you Hitler died in Argentina?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Owns.

Has the impeachment fever died down, or are people still talking about it?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Yggdrassil posted:

Thou it would be nigh impossible for someone who was alive and sentient during the time to post something from that era here, Argentina was pretty pro-nazi during the first years of the war. Peron had his sympathies, thou most importantly he worked in Italy during Mussolini's regime. He loved the italian dictator's way of manipulating the masses. This ended up in him bringin populism over here, and is the main cause for us Argies to continue to suffer populism up to this day. Argentina's international stance was 'neutral' though, and we sold food to the european countries for a good part of the conflict.

What do you see "populism" as? The way you talk about it makes it seem like some definable ideology, and I've never heard anyone talk about it that way.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

What's this I hear about building a mall in the Brazilian congress?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007



:ughh:

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Crowsbeak posted:

So they want to make running for reelection impossible?

For executive positions, yes. Mayors, governors, and the president are all now one term positions.

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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Is Lula still allowed to run in 2018 now, or did they ban that too?

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