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wateroverfire posted:Maybe. Probably we'd be a failed state limping by on international aid. Chile didn't have the massive human and physical capital reserves to plunder that Argentina did when it decided to run itself into the ground. According to D&D the solution to economic and political problem in every country is to just go more leftwards The less they know about the issue the more true this is
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Badger of Basra posted:Wow do we have two Pinochetistas in one thread? This is seriously like the left-wing version of a tea party rally. Everything left of Reagan/right of Allende is Communism/Fascism respectively.
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Nov 27, 2014 00:17
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Ardennes posted:"This thread is too left-wing" isn't an argument you know. It is when the name "Pinochet" gets used as an excuse not to have to talk actual economic reforms and zombie The 1973 coup and executing people in soccer stadium was pretty terrible, but people honestly seem to care more about reliving the rage than having an earnest discussion about modern day Chile.
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Nov 27, 2014 00:29
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Badger of Basra posted:When people still trumpet him as the man who saved Chile, and their current president was tortured by his dictatorship, and her father was assassinated for opposing the coup, you can see why people might want to. You can't discuss modern day Chile without discussing Pinochet because his legacy is still tainting the country. But this discussion isn't even about the legacy of Pinochet, however terrible it was. There are plenty of threads in D&D where we talk about how terrible he was. It seems like OP proposed some right wing policy and since it is Chile it automatically set off the rage factor, and everyone decided to just call the OP a Pinochist and call it a day. If you think the policies he's outlining are bad (and some of it seems to be) or unreasonable or you have a better solution, you should post it. But right wing+Chile=Pinochet is just lazy debating.
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Nov 27, 2014 00:35
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computer parts posted:The general idea of 1 & 2 seem reasonable enough, maybe adjust some specific payouts. 3 seems like you just need to allow overtime and the other stuff about working from home. Is there any real disadvantage of a generous unemployment welfare system vs rigorous regulation of hiring/firing in the chilean context or in general?
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Nov 27, 2014 00:38
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Ardennes posted:It most likely kicked off because the OP started the thread asking for the US military to kick out a center-left moderate because of educational reforms. He has walked back from it, but it is pretty directly comparable to how the Eastern Europe thread reacts to pro-Russian posters (though Putin is ironically right-wing), just the shoe is on the other foot. Granted I'm not a big expert on D&D user political views but I thought the "US carrier group" thing was a joke, though I guess if he was serious yeah it's not exactly a good idea for obvious reasons. quote:Anyway, I have gone over his points and most of them see unsustainable beyond some pretty basic things like "workplace fraud isn't good." Spending money on educational is a super left-wing idea I know, but is going to be needed. What's wrong with having a more flexible labor market and better unemployment benefit vs a more rigid one?
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Nov 27, 2014 00:40
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Ardennes posted:One issue is revenue, and Chile doesn't have corporate taxes in a classical sense which has where the government gets revenue. It does have a progressive income tax and profits from business are suppose to be included under it but the government still doesn't have enough money to work with it. Since you do seem to know more about modern Chile than me, how does corporate taxes in Chile work?
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Nov 27, 2014 00:50
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England Sucks posted:It probably has something to do with Chile being in a privileged position in South America of having a great amount of exportable goods and a very small population with comparably low unemployment, crime, and high education standards. Of course for a American it's probably a utter shithole with few redeeming qualities which needs to be more like America. But most South Americans wish to live in a country like Chile. The same is true of Argentina and natural gas, it's just that the government seems to be distinctively less successful there.
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