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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
According to Buzzfeed the president is now saying rogue intelligence agents murdered the guy? This is such a weird story.

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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

icantfindaname posted:

So tell me about the influence of American Libertarians / Austrian Schoolers on Latin American politics. I know they were big big fans of the military dictatorships and all that. Do they have actual support amongst the upper/middle class like I get the impression they do?

The Austrian School is emphatically not the Chicago School. The Chicago School is much, much worse, because they've actually been let near the levers of power in a whole bunch of countries.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

wateroverfire posted:

Why is it so hard for you to admit that leftist governments often make bad policy? Every time this comes up you post the same litany of excuses.

Since when is Peronism leftism?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

wateroverfire posted:

"Not real leftists" is also a popular response. =/

That doesn't really address the question.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

SexyBlindfold posted:

For all "Didn't Perón do [the exact polar opposite of what this peronist is saying/doing/supporting]?" questions, the answer is, invariably, "Yes. Your point?"

Political views are complicated, and left, right, and center aren't truly meaningful, especially with regards to Peronism. There are "propper" leftists who left a booby-trapped bust of Eva in a town square. They supported the poor and the unions, right? Well, kind of.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
From reading this thread I get the impression that Brazil has a very strong presidency and a comparatively weak legislature, is that right? American executives don't get to go stomping around like this in their first week on the job.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
"Meritocracy" is literally bourgeois aristocracy, i.e. "rule of the best." The old aristocrats decided who was among "the best" by ancestry, now it's to be decided by how much money you have and which fancy college you got your degree from.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

joepinetree posted:

We are not talking about a contradiction in terms of positions on the spectrum, but in terms of actual policies. That is, we are not talking about, say, a British conservative being a democrat because American politics are further right.

We are talking about actual policy positions. The journalist I was mocking, for example, will frequently share stories about the police shooting African Americans in the US, horrified. But then she will turn around and mock people who complained that the Temer government was all white and male, and will support a state government in Sao Paulo responsible not only for a number of deaths that are several multiple times higher than the US as a whole.

It's nice to know that we're still seen as a shining city on a hill, even if it's only by idiots.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Non Serviam posted:

In other words, no real consequences would have affected the murderers of the FARCs, or of the paramilitary organizations for that matter.

The Colombian government could already be going after members of the military or rightist paramilitary organizations that committed the same crimes as the FARC. They don't need the FARC's permission to do the right thing. Broadly speaking, they're not. In the absence of a formalized amnesty for all parties, "justice" would be entirely one-sided, as the demilitarized FARC would be subjected to prosecution and persecution, while for rightists business as usual would largely continue. If that's what you want, just say so.

If, on the other hand, you're opposed to the deal because of some commitment to an abstract ideal of justice, lol, you should probably never ever give another thought to the nation of Colombia again. That way only madness lies.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Non Serviam posted:

Other than making clear that he blocked me, I don't know what he means here. I mean, HRW was pretty clear in considering this so-called "peace process" a sham that was "based on impunity" for war criminals.

It kinda seems like you're parroting the HRW position uncritically and without much knowledge of Colombia's history.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Non Serviam posted:

I don't think a terrorist marxist organization deserves a seat at the table. Neither do the right wing narco paramilitary groups. Unconditional surrender is the only acceptable solution. If they refuse to surrender, then they can be persecuted dealt with like any other terrorist would be.

Yeah, gently caress the ANC, Mandela can rot forever.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Non Serviam posted:

The ANC aimed to stop Aparthetid; the FARCS aimed to impose a totalitarian Marxist system on Colombia.

Furthermore, anybody that violates human rights, be it from the ANC or the FARC, should be tried and convicted. Your moral relativism when it comes to human rights is really chilling.

Things you don't know anything about, as revealed in this post: South Africa, Colombia, moral relativism.

I've never heard anyone denounce Truth and Reconciliation before. That's new.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Non Serviam posted:

Listen, I have Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch on my corner, on this issue, when it comes to Human Rights. I'm pretty OK with that.

OK, so add Amnesty International and the concept of Googling to the list.

Amnesty International posted:

"Today will go down in history as the day Colombia turned its back to what could have been an end to a 50-year long conflict that devastated millions of lives,” said Erika Guevara-Rosas, Americas Director at Amnesty International.

"Although imperfect, the agreement represented a concrete way forward for peace and justice. The uncertainly this vote brings could place millions of Colombians, particularly those from vulnerable groups such as Indigenous, Afro-descendant and peasant farmer communities at greater risk of suffering human rights violations."

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/10/colombia-no-vote-a-missed-opportunity-for-peace/

AI has a number of reservations, but they are not in "your corner."

Dias had it right, I'm done.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Homework Explainer posted:

hrw is one of the many ngos which act as functionaries of the state department, it's no surprise they follow the west's line on practically every foreign conflict

The State Department is pro-accord in their public statements. So either there isn't a "line," or HRW is more independent than you think.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

tekz posted:

Can anyone who knows talk about the history of FARC? Why did they resort to violence instead of forming a political party? Very curious.

They did. Then their political workers were all killed. (That was UP, in the 80s and 90s. At the time of their founding they had connections to the Colombian Communist Party.)

Imagine a Northern Ireland in which all members of Sinn Fein were killed by Orange militias and the British government. IRA disarmament would have been a tough sell.

efb

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Gee, I wonder how he got his red text.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

The recent events here in Brazil have completely discouraged me from believing that socialism will be created from liberal democracy. At this point I agree with Mao that only military power can forcibly bring the changes and overcome the Bourgeoise enslavement of the population. Which is why I disagree with the FARC falling on the trap of peace and laying down their arms.

Go volunteer with them, maybe you can bring them around.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Human Rights in the Soviet Union: they don't really exist, but that's OK, because they don't really exist in capitalist countries. Brilliant.

e: Also the Holodomor didn't happen, and the NKVD executed, at most, one seventh of the number of people they definitely executed during the Great Purge. Well, heck, now I know where you get your facts from.

Tacky-Ass Rococco fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Oct 19, 2016

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Homework Explainer posted:

you expect me to believe you actually read it rather than glance at the title

edit: i mean come on man you could at least TRY to pretend you gave it a skim, this is the opening page of the essential chapter for god's sake



I don't know what you're trying to say.

Between pages 225-226, the author goes out of his way to minimize the number of deaths that occurred during the Great Famine. He doesn't suggest any numbers himself, but merely asserts that the anti-coms are all wrong and guilty of wild exaggerations. This is amusing, because on page 243, he claims that the maximum number of people who could have been killed during the Great Purge was 100,000 (e: with the strong implication that the reality was far less), understating the true number by ~600,000.

Sure, it was the 1980s, and he had no access to the relevant archives. But it's telling that you chose to cite a work that is, objectively, completely out of date.

The author's approach to civil liberties in general is pretty laughable. With regard to the US, he acts as prosecutor, while with regard to the USSR, he acts as defense counsel. What makes it funny is that after all of that, his conclusion is that there is "no qualitative difference" between the US and the USSR when it comes to civil liberties. For anyone who isn't a committed M-List, this is damning in itself.

Tacky-Ass Rococco fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Oct 19, 2016

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Friendly Humour posted:

Cuba has a combined bandwidth of 300mb/s. Somalia has more than 80 gb/s.

How do their scientists torrent poo poo? What happens when a new version of MATLAB comes out and all of their universities want to pirate it at once?

I suppose this is evidence that socialists are really good at handling coordination problems.

Tacky-Ass Rococco fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Oct 20, 2016

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Brainiac Five posted:

"How dare you speak for Cubans!" cry people insisting Cubans want to go bankrupt due to healthcare expenses and hate their access to tertiary education.

America has Internet porn. Checkmate, socialists.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

nerdz posted:

What the hell happened to this thread

A leftist, a rightist, and a troll walk into a bar...

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Squeegy posted:

Is this what Latin America is like? :psyduck:

It would definitely explain why they can't have nice things.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Do candidates ever try running on an anti-corruption platform?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Given this level of corruption, I feel like a populist candidate who runs on a platform of murdering or imprisoning the entire political class should be able to win convincingly.

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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Badger of Basra posted:

https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/980633365123563520

Carlos Alvarado, of the incumbent left/center left Citizens' Action Party (PAC), just won Costa Rica's presidential election by a much larger margin than expected - and it wasn't sure he was going to win at all from what I can tell.

He defeated Fabricio Alvarado, of the right-wing/evangelical National Restoration Party (PRN), who ran his whole campaign on being anti-gay marriage.

You idiot. Read the thread title. This is not the place for news of anything nice happening.

Thank you for your informative post.

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