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Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
And the locksmith said the service door wasn't really locked from the inside.

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Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
You should move to a cool country like Uruguay where the government was forced by the US to allow people to make purchases for under $200 tax free*

Also if Argentina invaded Uruguay it would be a giant fist fight because none of the countries have any weapons.

*5 purchases per year per person

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

rockopete posted:

I've been following the Nisman story but not this thread. I checked and didn't see this posted.

Dead Argentine Prosecutor Had Draft Warrant for President

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/04/world/americas/argentina-prosecutor-alberto-nisman-arrest-warrant-cristina-de-kirchner.html


I'm not super familiar with Argentinean (Argentine?) politics, but from what I've heard, Cristina Kirchner was a sleazy, corrupt, authoritarian shitheel long before Nisman was shot. Is this a correct impression?
With that and this article in mind, how likely is it that Kirchner had a hand in Nisman's death? Seems pretty clear to me but again I lack a lot of context and background awareness.

Every Argentinean president since Perón has been a sleazy, corrupt, authoritarian shitheel.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
So, an Israeli paper (Haaretz) says Uruguay kicked out an Iranian diplomat over the bomb found near Israel's embassy a few weeks ago. The bomb wasn't real, but the Ministry of Defense said they believed it was placed to test security in the area.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Chile should learn from Uruguay where politicians sons get filthy rich without needing to take a position in government. If you want to know more ask Tabaré Vazquez.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

Markovnikov posted:

No joke someone posted a young picture of her in the D&D pics thread and :drat:

The whole Nissman investigation has been a real shitshow so far though.

Also I'm really pissed that we are going to have to vote something like 6 times this year, some of them spurious extra elections (open primaries that no one asked for, and the separation of the city and national elections for political maneuvering). Keep wasting people's time and those taxpayer's bucks guys.

If the boots come back you will be relieved of your voting obligations!

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Why would a non-rich person voluntarily live in Uruguay?

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Well I'm a relatively poor Uruguayan and I think it sucks.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
I was writing a longer reply but accidentally logged out and lost it.

Basically the cost of living is much higher, the average rent in Montevideo is over 50% of the average salary. Energy prices are crazy high and winter is colder than in most Latin American countries so winter is a nice poverty meter. Food is expensive so most people's diet consists of mate, rice, flour and bad meat. And yerba mate prices are ridiculous right now so scratch that.

I'm too sleepy to elaborate more. Maybe tomorrow.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

PerpetualSelf posted:

Latin American approval figures are pointless. People tend to support anyone who actually does anything in office be the effects positive or negative for the nation.

That's not true, Mujica did absolutely nothing and look at him.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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No, it's been legal for at least 40 years. He passed a law that changed absolutely nothing and he did it right on time to distract attention from one of he biggest corruption scandals in history. I voted for him, but he was the worst president I can remember (I'm 29).

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Consuming weed has been legal, like, forever here. I'm not really sure on dates on this. It was only illegal to buy and it still is because the law passed just to get headlines and then it wasn't actually enforced. You can't buy weed on pharmacies and probably never will because Tabaré Vazquez is against it. And it all happened right when a scandal involving our national airline getting sold was uncovered and the government lost over a hundred million dollars and made the Economy Minister resign. Then international press caught on it and started reporting non stop because people are obsessed with weed and dear Pepe liked being on the covers of papers so much that he spent the rest of his term trying to remain there.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

Finally a president who speaks some sense!

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Is this Fantino guy Alejandro Fantino? He interviews politicians now?

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Victor Humo Morales is a piece of poo poo. That woman is not a communist and Fantino se comió al Polaco Bastía.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Humo was a typo but I'm not changing it :colbert:

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
They'll just keep voting for Peronistas until there's nothing left.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

hecko posted:

The front runners are Scioli, a peronist governor with a mannequin hand, Macri a neoliberal smuggler with a rich daddy who lives in a different reality and Massa, a Macri clone but a little more street wise.

Doesn't Macri also claim to be a peronist and isn't Massa just one of the classic "dissidents" who claim to have pretty big differences with the government to keep people voting inside the party? So the three front runners are pretty much the same.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Uruguay isn't.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Época (the Globo mag) made it a side note on the cover while all the other mags made it the main story lmfao.

Does Globo own (or is owned by) Traffic/FullPlay?

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
So, Clarín made someone win the elections only so they could cover up that the Pope the government said was part of the dictatorship at first but now claim as one of their own is visiting Ecuador? Makes sense.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
I think I am the only Latin American who didn't care for DBZ. I watched Saint Seiya and Kamen Rider. Uruguayan TV was and still is poo poo so I had to watch Saint Seiya in Argie channels and then rewatched them and Kamen Rider on Brazilian channels.

I mostly remember Fandangos commercials though. I don't even know what they are, look like some sort of Brazilian cheetos.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

Scaramouche posted:

I don't want to alarm you guys but I think that drug lord fellow might have had inside help when he escaped.

But what is his opinion on DBZ?

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Let the gaúchos be gauchos

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

Future Days posted:

:siren: MEANWHILE, IN THE PRIMARY ELECTIONS :siren:



"Not only I exercised my constitutional rights, I also took advantage of the fact that there aren't many [Massa supporters] or [Macri supporters] in the area. Since there are few (or none) polling officers, we took their ballot papers. Let's see if they can find them!"

Why are we still using this voting method, again?

Electronic voting is not better fraud wise.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Looks like poo poo hit the fan in Tucuman.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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loving lol

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKL6BtHwXC8

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
I'll never stop laughing at Scioli saying "compañeros trabajadores" in his speeches.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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My Imaginary GF posted:

I hear that Peronism is dead? C/D?

Nah, when the economy blows up in Macri's face they will take the Plaza de Mayo and someone will die and Macri will leave Casa Rosada in a chopper and Cristina's retarded son will be president.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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Peronism is ideology-fluid

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

Elias_Maluco posted:

I always understood it as something vaguely socialist, very authoritarian , and in the South American populist and paternalistic tradition. And people will get into heated debates about it being rightist or leftist.

Well, looking from the other side of the charco Peronism is a clown car of ideas but in the end ideas don't matter because it's just a cult of personality.

edit: And the worst thing about it it's that it's contagious as you can see from Pepe Mujica's sector here in the 'guay.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Lula and Mujica are cool

I voted for Mujica and will regret it all my life. He was the worst president I can remember.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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Elias_Maluco posted:

why? he seemed pretty cool from the outside.

He didn't do poo poo. He spent most of his period self-promoting. People outside love him because he's "poor" and "legalized" weed when weed's been always legal to consume and the law that regulates production is a mess and still hasn't come into effect.

Also, I feel he used his image as a poor man to deflect a lot of shady poo poo that went down during his government. Every time you bring any instances of this up, you get shut down by the "but he's so poor/humble, he can't be involved in anything".

It also bothers me that for such a revolutionary as he's supposed to be, he always ended up doing what the US wanted like getting the Guantanamo prisoners which was such a big mess that the prison might not close after all. He used them and the Syrian refugees we got for self-promotion and now these people are becoming a problem.

And finally he left us with a dwindling economy and the biggest deficit in history right at the end of the commodities craze, and the education system is in the worst shape it's ever been when he said in his inaugural speech that the three most important words for his government would be "education, education, education". This last thing makes sense when you see he later claimed that his votes come mostly by ignorant people.

I could write more but have to go.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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Mans posted:

hold the presses, a president of a country with a 3.5 million population didn't create full socialism or a libertarian utopia while he ruled during a serious financial meltdown?

I don't know what part of what I said can make you say that.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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I just wrote a wall of text but deleted it, I'm not saying that the economy was bad during Mujica's government. I'm saying it started to go downhill during his government because international prices changed a lot and he did nothing but waste money and give his oppinion on stuff on TV. Now the new government came and there's no money and the economy is getting weaker, so there won't be money for some time unless we increase the debt (which is already at 62% of the GDP). To top it off he seems to be in some kind of power struggle with Vázquez and is making it difficult for the new government to do anything.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!

Dias posted:

Haha, you basically described Dilma's first mandate, although it wasn't so much "wasting money" as it was "pretend the finances are fine, oil prices are fine, EVERYTHING IS FINE". Are you guys also stuck with an opposition party that would make the same gently caress-ups at best too?

I don't know what they would do, but I think when everyone is inept alternating the parties in charge is the best thing to do.


Mans posted:

Uruguay is super small and entirely dependant on the export market and foreign investment. Mujica's a bit of a muppet specially with regards to his education policy but he seemed to not throw Uruguay down the gutter which seems to be the standard policy of everywhere after 2009.

ANCAP has the monopoly of fuel and gas in the country. It needs a one billion dollar cash injection to keep functining. That's 1.7% of our GDP. There's a commision investigating what the company did during Mujica's government.

Mujica spent hundreds of millions in an airline that hasn't made a single flight in more than three years. Including having a fake auction with a fake company pretending to buy it so one of his friends didn't have to say it was him buying it. He personally called the president of a state owned bank so he would sign papers allowing this to happen. The bank's president and the economy minister were investigated for this and the minister quit but nobody said anything about poor Pepe.

Mujica wanted to build a giant gas plant, much bigger than what the country needs (it would produce three times what we consume), what better way to do it that start a private company with less than a hundred employees to run it all? The project was suspended and we lost at least 140 million. They used private companies for things like this because it allows them to pay salaries higher than that of the President which is the highest salary the government can pay. They paid millions in salaries alone during the few months the company functioned.

All our deals with Venezuela were made through a private company that charged 3% of every transaction between the goverments. That company belongs to people connected with Mujica, one of them was given an office in the presidential building. Before this he was known for being dressed as a duck during national team games and for a scam with cheques. Now he's a millionaire. They tried to do the same with Ecuador which caused the relationship with Correa to get cold.

State owned banks kept lending money to companies he didn't want to close because they were owned by friends or ran by workers and when they did it anyway we lost more money. One of these companies closed recently and was owned by the guy who paid for Pepe's presidential band and lent him his plane during his campaign. According to the only list I saw that guy is the richest man in this country but took all the loans he could and ran away.

When the DGI caught Paco Casal evading taxes he helped him avoid the bill (another hundred million dollars). If you don't know who Paco Casal is, he's the owner of the company that owns the rights to football here. He also owns most of the players. He's probably the biggest mobster in the country.

He problably threw us down the gutter, it's just that we don't know it yet.


Future Days posted:

Sounds like whatever we're going to face un Argentina in the next few years. :smith:

Well Mujica's been accused of bringing Peronism to Uruguay so...

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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TheLovablePlutonis posted:

We are so hosed with debt that they are bringing the paper poll back next election.

But that's a good thing? Electronic voting should be banned.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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bagual posted:

It's no harder to fraud a paper ballot than electronic voting stations. People get this false sense of security because "oh it's a REAL piece o paper" but most election frauds in history have happened regardless of paper ballots, it's the counting phase that matters and you're not in it. There's no way around having a culture of fair elections.

It is much harder to fraud paper ballot. I don't know how it is everywhere else, but here you'd need to have people from every party and the army on your side to alter the results. With electronic voting you need just a handful of people and there are multiple points where you can alter the results. Not to mention that electronic voting means opening the door to a third (probably foreign) party to the electoral process.

Separately, the audit process of electronic voting machines is a nightmare and doesn't guarantee anything. The company let's the Electoral Court audit the code they use for the machines. How do you know the code is the same that is installed in the machine? How do you know the code is the same in all the machines? How do you know the code doesn't change itself after the machine was installed? It's impossible to be 100% sure there was no fraud and at least with paper ballots you need much more people to know about the fraud which increases the probability of people finding out.

Polidoro fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Dec 1, 2015

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Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


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joepinetree posted:

Here's how lovely Brazilian media is:



"Brazilian GDP is the worst among 11 of the top 20 world economies"

lol, that took some effort to write

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