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Markovnikov posted:I keep saying this is out of some loving spy thriller. Someone get on that book deal. Argentina has a history with very, very shady accidental deaths and suicides in the 90's. You know, the decade in which the case he was investigating took place. What I'm saying is that we don't just have material for a book, but for a whole series.
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Symbolic Butt posted:just to liven up a bit let me remind the thread that the president is not living the presidential palace because he is afraid it's haunted. It is the ghost of PT's communism.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:31
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There is a possibility that gendarmerie didn't kill him but it is low to the point of absurdity. There are photos of him at the site and there is recorded video footage of gendarmerie shooting the mapuche protesters (and him, by extension). Guess which of these three things the gendarmes can be clearly heard yelling in said video: 1) "Run, cagon!" 2) "Shoot the friend of the family!" 3) "Yeeehaw!" The answer is all 3. The mapuche aren't considered people. The mapuches say their people have been made to disappear before and none of this would have gotten the media coverage it does if it hadn't been a white boy from buenos aires who was killed. It is exceedingly likely they tortured and killed him before realizing he was a documented citizen.
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Oct 19, 2017 01:01
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The people that were detained during the march were all released with no charges after several days. One of them was even a tourist (whose girlfriend doesn't even speak spanish) asking what the hell was going on. Many report being subjected to harassment from the police officers and being threatened with being disappeared as well. One girl says she was forced to strip and recorded on camera. Not a single one of the protesters throwing rocks at the police were ever identified. Funny thing is that there are photographs matching the violent protesters from that march with city police agents. Imagine that.
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Oct 22, 2017 00:13
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El Chingon posted:They interviewed Christina's lawyer in the mexican radio, he is certain those charges won't hold in the court and are just made up by Macri's government. How true is that? Nobody that has actually read the written denunciation made 2 years and half ago thinks it makes any degree of sense. Even conservative media panned it back then. She might still end up in jail over it. The justice system is fond of "preventive prison" lately, which essentially consists of locking people up first and finding actual evidence of their wrongdoings later. Sometimes years later. Mind you, I'm sure she must have some dirty laundry like 90% of politicians in this country, but accusing her of Treason of all things is complete nonsense.
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Dec 8, 2017 22:30
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Sephyr posted:Big protests in Argentina today, being met with very fierce repression. Bad enough that an important reform vote was cancelled because Congress was not considered secure. Fun fact: The vote was cancelled after multiple parties (FIT, FPV, 1Pais) denounced that two of the government's congressmen were illegitimate. Without those two there wasn't quorum for a proper vote. Later that afternoon, the president tried to get the reforms to pass by decree. By the end of the day, he'd already backpedaled down from that. It's like watching a sitcom, except that for every dumb thing the characters do, there is poverty and police brutality instead of canned laughter.
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Dec 15, 2017 03:11
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As a matter of decency, I want those poor murderers and torturers who are in suffering old age in prison to go back to their homes. All they did was kill some marxists, which as we all know are cancerous people, so it is only humanitarian to be lenient with them.
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Dec 22, 2017 18:32
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Nobody in Argentina hoards Dollars, is okay with the Peso going down or otherwise benefits from the crisis... Except, of course, for the people who have spent years setting us up for it. I'm legitimately worried about the future, but I also know that if things go tits up I'm screwed no matter what, so it's a zen kind of despair.
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Jul 11, 2018 11:48
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Conspiratiorist posted:Postealos de todas formas, camarada.         Yesterday was simultaneously one of the most infuriating, depressing and funniest days in recent memory all at once.
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Aug 31, 2018 23:15
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^^^ Pretty much this. He had plenty of chances to course correct and every single time he could've changed his policies he instead committed even harder to being a neoliberal idiot/rear end in a top hat/both. We're way past the tipping point now. It took three years, but at last the free dollar exchange and trickle down economics had the result that was obvious to anyone who has ever read a history book: We're hosed. Felicitaciones! Al fin Cambiamos! 
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Sep 9, 2018 14:28
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Ras Het posted:I liked this bit in Jonathan Wilson's article about Boca - River: The violence from the barras bravas has very little to do with passion or even with football itself, it is political violence at its core because most of the barras have deals with the police and/or various political parties. Barras aren't disorganized small groups, which is the problem that Arg ran into when we tried to apply the same methods used in the UK to deal with hooligans. The barras are criminal organizations ingrained into our political system and an intrinsic element of the toxicity in everyday life along with the rampant corruption in the police and the mercenary nature of our judicial system.
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Nov 27, 2018 17:52
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The scientists are already fleeing and this time, unlike in 2001, they say they don't plan to come back. When all it takes is one neoliberal idiot and four years to dismantle all the infrastructure they've worked so hard to sustain, I can't blame them.
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Apr 21, 2019 01:35
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Alberto was criticizing Cristina last monday and Cristina herself called him much worse things in all these years. I'm a cynical jackass too but just this once I'm going to argue that this is a good thing. Alberto has been a vocal critic of Cristina since the 125 and yet they're still personal friends. I don't think this is a cynical alliance of convenience, her book "Sincerely" was his idea after all. Is it a political move to consolidate power? Well, yeah... It's politics. When has anything in politics been for any other reason? Like don't get me wrong, Peronism is still at best the lesser evil in this country's perpetual Peronist-Antiperonist cycle, but as far as alliances go this is a pretty good one and I wouldn't be surprised if they deradicalized the worst aspects of Kirchnerism and basically had an okay government for once. People say nobody knows Alberto like it is a bad thing, when it's actually a good thing, it means that he hasn't been making a buffoon of himself for his whole career which is how politicians get famous until they assume a sufficiently high position that you can't not know about them anymore. It is possible he'll be puppeteered by Cristina? Yeah, there's a nonzero chance of that happening, but I'm skeptical of somebody with this much experience being made into a de la Rua. If nothing else it'll be funny to see Cristina bite her tongue at the senate when she calls for people to make their arguments without the ability to reply back at them.
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May 21, 2019 03:18
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:There is no Peronist-Antiperonist cycle in Argentine politics. Both Peronism and the vast majority of "Antiperonists" are reactionary conservatives. There is no aim to Peronism other than conservation of the means of power by whatever way they can get their hands on. Chasing personal short-term benefits, Peronists have driven the country repeatedly into the ground every single time they have been in power. There is absolutely no evidence they won't do so again. I mean, okay, yeah, calling it a cycle is a reductive oversimplification, but so is calling both PJ and Cambiemos the same thing. I think it's accurate to say both PJ and Cambiemos lean towards the conservative side economically as neither of them is interested in reform, but socially one is center-left while the other is center-right. Ghost of Mussolini posted:Alberto is a corrupt rent-seeking toady, he was all his life. You cannot be President if you don't have an actual power base, and he certainly lacks any sort of independent strong support. If Cristina is limited by anything, it is by her perception of her own image deteriorating. The hypothetical Fernandez-Fernandez government will, at best, be the same as the current administration. Kicking all problems down the road while continuing the historic trend of hollowing out the state. Alberto cannot be as bad as Macri because PJ at least makes a token effort at social justice and by pretending to care about the lower classes they end up attracting people who legitimately do care and keep things manageable despite the leadership's efforts. Bread and circuses suck but what's even worse is having a circus with no bread. PJ is corrupt and reactionary but Cambiemos is that and instead of promising equality for all they promise trickle-down economics, police brutality and catholic conservatism genuinely believing those to be good things. For every regressive PJ rear end in a top hat like Scioli you have like four or five from Cambiemos, because it attracts the full-on lunatics who have no shame saying Videla wasn't that bad. So no, if they win it won't be at best the same as the current administration, because PJ on a bad day is the same as Cambiemos on an average day. They're different degrees of terrible.
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I'm usually the person who has to remind Peronists that they did and continue to do some pretty lovely things so this is a nice change of pace for me honestly. I don't necessarily disagree with most of your points and I'm less interested in changing your mind than in seeing what you think. Ghost, what do you think of the rebuilding and expansion of Conicet, the active effort to bring back STEM graduates to the country and the construction and launch of the ARSATs during the K era? Was it part of a ploy to gather cheap votes by hollowing out the state, the bare minimum they could do after the 90's but made out to be more important than it actually is, or something else entirely?
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Ardennes posted:Granted, it seems like usual the worse that comes out of the Peronists (like Menem) is when they are following the recommendations of the US and/or the IMF. Personally, I wouldn't mind Argentina moving on from Peronism to a more sustainable left-wing direction. A month ago I would've told you that the PJ's lack of direction, its strongest subfaction being basically their own party (FPV) and the recent strings of losing elections basically everywhere meant we're seeing the beginning of the end for PJ and that soon enough they'd be just like the Radical party: A second rate party clutching to whatever remnants of power they still have while slowly dying out. That Fernandez-Fernandez is a thing has thrown me for a loop there, one is the FPV while the other can probably get the rest of PJ to follow them (albeit begrudgingly) so their power should consolidate once more. I would like to see Argentina moving on from Peronism as well but it doesn't look like it will happen any time soon, unless they screw up so bad in the next few months they can't even beat Macri in his worst moment.
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May 26, 2019 22:58
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Im not even upset. This is expected at this point. Sure loving wish i didnt get up at 7 every day like clockwork tho.
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Jun 16, 2019 15:11
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It's just North Korea but flipped vertically and bigger.
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Jun 16, 2019 20:21
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Is that his way of complimenting AOC? What? Why would he... What? This is the single most surreal news I've seen in a while. I'm trying to grasp at the orange man's logic and failing.
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Pochoclo posted:I mean when you literally brainwash and indoctrinate children in the schools telling them Perón and Evita are loving demigods, have mandatory reading children's books that say poo poo like "Mom loves me. Dad loves me. Perón and Evita love me. Perón is the Leader. Perón is good", you create a generation of people that will worship Perón and Evita and they will teach their children and it'll go on for two or three generations. Another big factor is that the people who came after were infinitely worse. Compared to the dictatorship that made his name a forbidden word and disappeared 27k+ people just so they could sink local industries in exchange for sweet sweet american dollars, Peron is a hero and Evita is a saint. Persecution turns survivors into fervent believers. It doesn't help that the overwhelming majority of public figures who criticize Peron to this day are lunatics who think the dictatorship wasn't all that bad and "human rights" is a buzzword. Most parties since then would push one of two narratives: Peron good or Peron bad. People aren't very good with gray morality in general and one of those sides is a lot more regressive than the other, so it's easy to rationalize that Peron did nothing wrong when the people on the other side of the ring make Trump look like a serene, rational individual.
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You can basically sum it up with:quote:But if Argentines turn to populism once again, their disappointments over the last four years will heavily burden the next outsider who dares to promise market solutions to Argentina's chronic economic maladies. "B-But what about my free money?  "
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Macri just blamed the crash on the K's and the people who voted them not understanding his great plans to fix the economy. I guess that answers the question of whether he'll try to keep the country stable and transition governments without issue or if he'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the rosada.
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I'm firmly in the "If CFK wanted to be president again she would be running for that right now" camp. My read is she showed up to give all the Kirchnerists someone they could rally behind without actually having to govern. Any other reading sounds conspiranoid to me. I could be wrong, but I see no evidence to indicate otherwise.
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Transient People posted:You think she lost too much political capital to run and gave up the reins to someone else then? Cause I could see that too, but I'm not sure if her base turned against her like that. Definitely felt like she wanted to run for a very long time. I don't think she ever lost that much political capital. People say that she attached herself to Alberto because she herself alone couldn't possibly win, but what people saying this are missing is that the rest of the PJ needed CFK more than CFK needed the rest of the PJ. Yes, she lost the 2017 legislatives, but FPV was still the 2nd strongest force in the country. PJ lacked a strong presidential candidate to the point they even had to beg Lavagna to present himself as one (their motto for 2019's run was "There is a 2019" for gently caress's sake, that's how low their standards were, they celebrated their mere existence). Lavagna didn't want anything to do with this nonsense and almost didn't go to the PASO, because he kept saying for months he would either be "supported by the whole party" (which is impossible) or "not run at all". Meanwhile people had been bugging CFK since 2017 to announce her candidacy or to at least say she did not intend to run, because her image was (supposedly) comparable to Macri's for those two years, yet she spent most of that time silent when she could've easily been nonstop campaigning. Add that to all the things she's been saying about the effects of her war with Clarin on her personal life, most critically the deterioration of Florencia's health, and it looks to me that she doesn't want the baggage that comes with a presidency anymore. But that's just my reading. Maybe her egyptian pharaoh complex will reemerge december 11 and she'll be screaming obscenities while interrupting people's novelas again.
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There's a joke in Argentina that there's no racism because there's no black people. Which is wrong not just in that there's plenty of racism against immigrants of all kinds but also there's actual black people in here. The ones who have it worst here are the native peoples, who are treated as if they didn't exist and thus near universally worse than even the poorest of immigrants, let alone the whites. Having said that, our police force is not as brutal as that of the US and we don't have internment camps for immigrants yet so I'd say that for everybody but the aboriginal peoples the US is probably worse.
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Tony Sorete posted:Sure, exactly like the 2001 megaswap. If it sounds like a porn movie it's because we were hosed hard. Stealing this to explain the news to my international efriends thank you for the laugh.
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I wish Evo had been able to raise a successor in 12 years. Then maybe this mess wouldn't have happened. When a popular party is so personalist that they won't accept anyone but the leader then what follows when that person inevitably loses power is really loving dire.
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Meanwhile, in Argentina: https://twitter.com/rialjorge/status/1193865439979483136
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Wobbuffet your posts remind me (and I wager a lot of other latin americans ITT) of "centrist" middle-class white countrymen who have only heard the most pro-establishment side of any given issue and parrot back their talking points without questioning them or even looking for more information to complement it. If you're an actual leftist like you say you are, then I suggest you examine how come this thread keeps digging up information you were not aware of and also why you didn't realize that the FFAA asking a president to resign is the same as threatening them with a coup, especially in latin america given our continent's history.
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ArfJason posted:man, due to the skyrocketing prices here, i havent ordered empanadas in forever... i miss them There is a franchise called "Medialunas Empadanadas" (yes, really) that charges about $19 each. The main drawback is they don't do delivery, they don't work at night and they don't have variety. They're neither amazing or terrible but it sure as hell beats Ugi's if you're organizing a gathering and can't, like, cook for everyone.
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While we're on the subject of argentine food, be super careful where you buy bread because if they sell it cheap then it probably has potassium bromate. I'm 99% sure Costumbres Argentinas has started doing it in the past few months, given they've kept the kilo at $80 but the bread is all swollen and gets super hard after a few hours.ArfJason posted:Is that in capital cause im in la plata. If im there for something i might check it out Google maps says they're around CABA/Lomas de Zamora so yeah, rip LP.
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I was an idiot centrist once so I sympathize with idiot centrists who don't know any better and really just want to hear voices from both sides. I stop sympathizing with them when they stop listening and instead make their stand on the side with the actual assholes.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Hey, how's Argentina doing right now? Wikipedia tells me that Fernández has done some stuff by now: The bad: To quote the ex-viceminister of economy of the late K era, "If everything goes well, 2020 will be a lovely year." Macri razed the country so Argentina is neck-deep in debt it literally can't pay while CEOs are filing for Paraguayan nationality so they don't have to actually pay the taxes you posted. It's not looking good, but 2020 can't really be worse than 2019 and we're still alive so eh. The good: Fernandez is clearly a workaholic and he's got rhethoric on the level of Cristina without being, you know, an impresentable. On the macro level his measures make sense and are things that most people can agree on. He's clearly got a temper but also he makes a visible effort to sit down to talk with the anti-K crowd in the media which I guess makes sense since he used to be their favorite "Repentant K" until a few months ago and I can respect having a president that isn't trying to polarize super hard every single time they open their mouth. The memetic: I never expected I would see the president show up at the Buenos Aires Public University to grade final exams. Those were oral exams too so it must've been intimidating as hell. edit: oh also he said cartoons like warner brother's (bugs bunny, etc.) helped raise a society of tricksters and scammers who took advantage of other people. that was... that was a thing. GimmickMan fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 4, 2020 |
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I can say with zero hesitation that Argentina has a better democratic system than the US and I don't say this because I'm a big nationalist or anything (if there's anything Argies are good at, it's lamenting how much our country sucks). fnox, the larger point people are trying to make (at least as I understand it), is that people hold up the US as this bastion of freedom and democracy (especially true in Latin America, even in Argentina) when no, actually the US is quite lovely about those things by every reasonable standard and that's even more reprehensible when you consider it's still the most powerful and influential country in the world. None of this takes away from how many Latin American countries are in much worse positions, but the idolization of the US (whilst refusing to admit its many evils) is a very common talking point in all of America.
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Kurnugia posted:you will lose to finns. fight me bitch, finland is the worst shithole at the end of the world I think there's enough suckitude that we can all suck together. I'm pro-suck redistribution.
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Yeah, I go out of my way to call it the US and even that makes me feel slightly weird because it's not like other countries aren't made up of united states. But also I use American occassionally, even if only as a slur, so I'm part of the problem.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is he really? I hate conspiracy theories but both crazy journos and real journos say there is a significant chance this is a fabrication. The gist of it is that the way the news has spread is consistent with the way Bolso has been producing fake news in the past, observations that he doesn't look like he has any symptoms and his continued insistence that taking hydroxychloroquine is what cured him lead people to think that he is 1) hoping for a repeat of that time he was stabbed and survived that gave him a boost in popularity 2) doing advertisements for plaquinol, the branded product of hydroxychloroquine pills.
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There is a lot of racism against Bolivians in Argentina, to the point that when I was a teenager calling someone a Bolivian was pretty much the equivalent of using the N-word in the US. Not a lot of things give me hope or pride these days, but I feel that way about how my lovely country protected Evo and called the Dictatorship what it was from day 1.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:best wishes to our Peruvian commie from here, then Yeah so Mr. Castle is notably conservative on social matters but the actual rightwingers are almost undoubtedly worse. Like, social reform goes hand in hand with economic reform and Castillo wants economic reform. A bad leader who is a dumbass old man can still have ministers, senators, councilors, etc. who are decent human beings pushing forward for social progress even when the leadership disagrees with it. Hell, sometimes the leadership changes their opinion because their own children talk them out of the boomer mentality. Economic conservatives are almost never interested in social progressivism, even if they insist they do, because redistribution of anything goes against their interests. It's going to be difficult for them to get much done with congress split 20% five ways though. Best wishes to my Peruvian hermanes, hope y'all can pull this off.
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