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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
It’s been questionable whether the government of Mexico meaningfully has a monopoly on the use of force anymore, but the cartels just straight up getting their guys sprung from arrest and imprisonment, with the acquiescence of the government, seems to be a troubling new low point.

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Det_no posted:

It was pretty cool how a few weeks ago they were trying to decide which country would keep El Chapo's money and most of the internet was full of americans saying america should keep it because they were the real victims.

How the gently caress was America a victim? They were the valued customer, for gently caress sake!

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I think it's safe to say that the decision to release Chapo's son was probably the correct one in the situation, but the fact that the situation reached a point where that was the correct choice is really, really hosed up. Like, failed state levels of hosed up. The government of Mexico has failed to exercise sovereign power over Culiacan, in a very real sense it can be said they no longer control it. They may exercise certain elements of sovereignty, but evidently only at the pleasure of the cartels.

Best available choice or not, that's absolutely shocking.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Pochoclo posted:

That and Supercampeones. Mazinger Z if you’re a bit older too

But more than anything else The Simpsons. Like no joke I think 50% of the spoken word in Buenos Aires is Simpsons references

Simpsons references are the best, this is known worldwide. There may or may not soon be an Irish political party based on that.

One of my favourite things to do travelling abroad is watch the Simpsons in the local language, always good for foreign language practice ;)

Are there multiple Spanish dubs like there are with French?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50299562

Just horrifying, a whole family burnt to death and some children kidnapped.

What's even the best-case scenario for dealing with Mexico's issues at this point? If we had a benevolent but not all-powerful dictator who we could trust to only ever do the right things (which is of course an unrealistic supposition, but work with me here), is there a way out for Mexico/Guatemala/Honduras at this point?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

I hate poo poo like this, because it makes it seems like intense paranoia and repression a la Cuba/Venezuela, really is the only choice for a leftist government. That's not a good thing for anybody, left or right.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Instead of looking at the visa policy of the United States -- a nation which is by all accounts pathologically paranoid about illegal immigration -- why not check the visa policy of Canada and the European Union, which certainly also constitute "The West" in the sense it's being used here?

https://clips.twitch.tv/FreezingConsiderateGoblinUnSane-8trKs1u5lq-W2IKx

Canada is not so good -- we're dickheads to a bunch of Latin American countries (but at least not Mexico!) -- but even so, I think the point stands that the US's policy is an outlier in the countries generally accepted to be part of "the West."

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

fnox posted:

So you didn’t bother to check whether the actual info is false? You just went and did a bunch of unsourced associations and assumed that nothing is happening in the Orinoco?

The issue with bringing up specific Yanomami activists is, if you loving bothered to look up anything about the person I just posted, they keep getting killed, or otherwise threatened by the government. But hey, here’s Wataniba reporting the exact same thing.

https://twitter.com/wataniba_ve/status/1542951219634704384?s=21&t=IvAFxVeFvekixYHsaPSIfA

Who’s the source of that? OIPUS, Organización Indígena Uwottüja del Sipapo. Not their first activist to be killed even.

Don’t like Wataniba? Here’s COICA, reporting the exact same thing. They’re a coordinator for multiple Amazon indigineous peoples organizations.

https://twitter.com/coicaorg/status/1542899163159056384?s=21&t=IlgiWT6ydI9iv2744sCnYA

So which organization represents Venezuelan tribes in the Amazon? ORPIA, which in turn contains OIPUS, but it’s a larger indigenous organization having representation from 20 other tribes. Here they are, saying the exact same thing.

https://twitter.com/orpiaamazonasve/status/1543074881981632513?s=21&t=IlgiWT6ydI9iv2744sCnYA

Can we move on? You can see evidence of deforestation from loving space. It’s imbecilic to deny it.

Hello I'm a leftist, committed to decolonization, and I'd just like to make the point that clearly the path to decolonization in the Latin American context involves *checks notes* killing Indigenous people and destroying the environment, but it's cool and good because at least the forces doing that are strictly committed to opposing the US in mainly a petulant, rather than substantive, sense. Now that I've introduced myself, may I condescend to you about the state of the country you were born in? Just kidding, I'm going to do it whether you like it or not!

Sarcasm aside: I don't actually have much of a dog in this fight. But I can say this to those who claim to support the left: I've met a lot of Cubans who are strictly anti-Communist, but I've met a lot more, in Cuba, in Canada, in Spain, and in the US, who view the current situation in Cuba as a mixture of governmental corruption and US imperialism while still holding with the ideals of the Revolution. By contrast, I've never met a single Venezuelan who wishes anything more for Maduro than a short drop and a sudden stop, and even the Cuban communist true believers I've talked to came back more than slightly disillusioned by the state of Venezuela. There are worthy concerns about the involvement of the USA in who might be positioned to replace Maduro, of course, but it does not serve the leftist movement in Latin America or anywhere else to pretend that Maduro is some wonderful, beautiful freedom fighter, because he isn't.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Indeed you should critically examine the information anyone is pushing, because everyone has an agenda. This does not imply that you should reject their reports out of hand.

Now, I think if you really want to bring it to the neoliberal world order, you could point out that they, as well, and to an equal or greater degree, also have Indigenous leaders killed when they oppose things they want. God knows Latin America is full of that poo poo and we can't ignore it! But I can say that Maduro is no great hero, he's simply followed the path of most governments strongly opposed to the US and that path is to commit the same offenses but for their own benefit, plus a soupcon of repression because otherwise the CIA will coup you.

Castro, though he did some bad poo poo, was better; even Chavez was better. Morales is better. AMLO, frankly, has not sufficiently addressed domestic concerns, so I'm hard pressed to say he's doing an acceptable job, but he's not the worst. There is a path between being a US stooge and being a repressive, murderous fuckup.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Two people noticing the same notable thing while reporting on the same situation? Must be a conspiracy.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

fnox posted:

No, I literally went to Caracas and saw it. Maybe the dumbest accusation to levy at me because it’s the first thing you see coming from the airport.

If two people are noticing the same really weird thing, even within days of each other, my initial thought is: it's probably because that poo poo seems particularly out of place, and you certainly don't need to be an idealogue to notice it.

We all notice the same thing going to the US or watching US TV: holy gently caress, there are a lot of ads for drugs, loving everywhere, and you'd assume most Americans suffer from the ol' floppy penis, because there's poo poo tons of ads about it. You'd be quite insane not to mention it; it's weird to a foreign audience, and it deserves a comment. A similar thing I've noticed visiting some countries (Cuba yes, but also places in Europe): holy gently caress, there are cigarette ads around! It's about things seeming either very different from what they were, or very different from what a foreign audience might expect, and both are worthy of comment.

"It's a conspiracy that several people notice a very visible change!" Nah, it ain't.

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
The thing I take issue with is people either completely ignoring the problems that exist in Cuba, or trying to turn them into some grand narrative about the evil, perfidious socialists. Yes, Cuba has problems and the government is the source of at least a few of them. No, it's not likely that an American-backed campaign to oust the government would help the situation on the whole. And it's equally unlikely, in my view, that complaints about a specific extant problem at a given, coming from the Cuban people, reflect a widespread desire to simply turf the entire government.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Darth Walrus posted:

Yeah, the obvious thing about Haiti is that the US has no compelling geopolitical threat to build it up against, so any occupation is likely to devolve into simple colonial looting.

Plus, Iraq and Afghanistan cast severe doubt on whether the modern US actually has anything resembling nation-building capabilities. I'm not sure whether even with the best of intentions, the US State Department as it exists today could manage anything like the Marshall Plan or the rebuilding of Japan without it instantly collapsing into grift and incompetence on a truly heroic scale.

I'm not sure they ever really had the capability on their own. Why do you think so many war criminals got away with poo poo?

"Hey, you look like you have some experiencing managing poo poo, and I have no memories of things that happened before right now. You're as good a chap as any to take care of this poo poo for me, here's how I expect it to be done, and remember: when people gently caress up, memories start coming back to me really fast, so, just to be on the safe side: don't gently caress up."

You can't walk into a place with limited connections and just whip out a Functional-Country-in-a-Box and hope for the best. God knows the US tried and tried in more recent cases, and it never really worked.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
We've reached the point where drug trafficking is a far greater ill than drug use in and of itself. In a utilitarian sense: let people drug themselves to death, legally and fore free, if they choose. It's better than inflicting collateral damage on innocent people.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I remember when people were vaguely hopeful that AMLO would be a good president. Seems quaint now...

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

i fly airplanes posted:

Current state of AMLO's pet project airline: https://x.com/mexicanavuela_/status/1739701094815617325?s=46

(It had to divert and call firefighters)

Not to avoid making GBS threads on AMLO, who is a stupid bastard, but... where did you get "firefighters" from and what is there to suggest this is anything other than a completely ordinary weather-related diversion?

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

i fly airplanes posted:

In the reply comments, there's photos.

At most, a fuel leak? My Spanish is a bit rusty, but it seems like there's some rather unhinged conspiracies going on in those replies. Like "it's ex-military, the plane isn't used to commercial operations" which is crazy.

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