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TheImmigrant posted:You obviously weren't on campus in the early 90s, when 'speech codes' were in vogue. Even today, you're crazy if you think that there's a right-wing bias on the university campus. Right wing bias is a thing in University campus. Because the US is a thoroughly right wing country. That doesn't mean they agree on everything. Though he is right, generally when people do the free speech thing it is generally "why won't they just agree with me?"
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TheImmigrant posted:Universities are solidly left-wing zones. More left wing then more rural parts yeah, but that doesn't really mean anything by itself. It is more a mixture of both. TheImmigrant posted:That's their free speech. He never said anything different?
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Nov 28, 2014 00:23
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TheImmigrant posted:It tilts heavily to the left, certainly more so than any other milieu in the US. Comparatively yeah, but on pure numbers not really. TheImmigrant posted:It's an odd argument, mocking the speech of right-wingers on campus on a thread about censorship on campus. Right-wingers are heavily outnumbered on most university campuses, and subject to strong social ostracism. It's not per se censorship, but there's direct honest engagement of their ideas and more dismissal by argumentum ad populum.
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Nov 28, 2014 00:32
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TheImmigrant posted:Strange that you say that on this thread, where the sneering has already begun. This forum is not representative of anything really. Though literally nothing you say is true so I think you might be trolling, right wingers do not have to deal with any real mocking at campuses. No doubt people do mock them, but it isn't that prevalent. Hell they engage in the same behavior just with the switch of who is being mocked.
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Nov 28, 2014 00:39
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4th Asclepiadean posted:If you're talking about with regards to the whole world, then maybe? Nah I am talking about the US. I can't speak about the rest of the world, I don't know much about their cultural quirks in this case. fanged wang posted:i love how instead of addressing any of the specific cases mentioned in the op people are just beating up some imaginary conservative they thought up who is a real jerk, it takes a strong mind to outwit a strawman imo It was addressed, in certain isolated cases it can happen, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of any coordinated purposeful attempt at censorship.
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Nov 28, 2014 00:44
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TheImmigrant posted:I've been to university in France and Uruguay. In both countries, universities skew to the left of general society as well. Lots of flirtation with fashionable leftist stances, e.g. Trotskyism, syndicalism, even the occasional Maoist. fanged wang posted:by what criteria are these cases certain and isolated
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Nov 28, 2014 00:53
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-Troika- posted:I think it's pretty lame that there are a lot of incidents in recent years where there'll be a speaker some group hired to come in, and then people who disagree with that person will go there and try to yell and drown them out every time they say something. It is a little lame but it isn't exactly a free speech issue. tsa posted:Seriously when was the last time d d actually debated something. All the time but really there isn't much to debate here. Though I assume he was talking about the nebulous other being the dastardly liberal trying to censor speech.
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Nov 28, 2014 01:59
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-Troika- posted:Uh how is it not a free speech issue, especially when a university punishes people for some speakers but not others? You don't get to use your speech to drown out and prevent other's speech. Well I mean free speech only really applies to the government, so unless it was a pubic uni9versity it literally can't apply. Though then again that is somewhat different then what you said before. If anything, removing hecklers seems to violate the free speech you seem to believe exists.
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Nov 28, 2014 04:15
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on the left posted:Because it's plainly none of their business. Why not?
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Nov 29, 2014 04:06
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on the left posted:Because you signed up and paid to go to class, not to have your life policed. I'm sure this would be the go to argument for goons if it turned out that universities were expelling cohabitating unmarried couples or women who worked as strippers/porn stars. I think BYU does this already. They have a strict as gently caress honor code. I guess you are talking about public only, but that is kind of arbitrary.
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Nov 29, 2014 04:14
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420DD Butts posted:
Because modern conservative movements (in the US) run on the outrage machine. So you have to constantly be offended and every battle must be a last stand against persecution. It is actually a really really effective tactic and the fact liberals (or democrats I guess) haven't properly used this tactic is just weird to me.
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Nov 29, 2014 04:19
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Liberals and left-leaning people definitely use this tactic right now. Especially on websites, since this stuff is very effective clickbait. Eh, I wasn't saying liberals and democrats don't get outraged about anything, but that the cottage industry that arose in the conservative movement hasn't arisen in the other side, speaking strictly of the US of course. It is kind of weird but Democrats are kind of Milquetoast like that. kapparomeo posted:Rather than waste time typing all that out, you could have just purged him as a kulak. Or a Trot, the bastards. I thought purging trots was implied?
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Nov 29, 2014 17:54
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Jagchosis posted:this thread is slowly swaying me over to the side that all speech should be illegal. Welcome to the Dark Side friend. Their are two options for joining, make a right winger a bit uncomfortable or purge a trot. Pick the one you like.
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Nov 30, 2014 02:20
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Sharkie posted:"Excuse me I just heard you guys saying black people aren't inferior. Solely in the interest of avoiding an echo chamber, I feel I should say that" You should be fine but purge a trot just to be sure.
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Nov 30, 2014 03:09
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It just occurred to me that I never answered the question in the OP so I will now. No OP, not in any meaningful way.
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Nov 30, 2014 14:35
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icantfindaname posted:This sounds like a good idea. But racists are always on the cutting edge of argument technique!
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Nov 30, 2014 20:28
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The Snark posted:I have sincerely seen more considerate posting in Hellthread. I am not clear on why that doesn't shame you all. What does considerate posting mean? That we take you seriously is what I assume you mean, but you haven't really proven you deserve that yet.
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Nov 30, 2014 21:23
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TheImmigrant posted:Who is this 'we'? I see this all the time from the most prolific D&D posters. Is there a definitive list of who is in the Gang? Do you have to take a doctrinal purity test to be admitted to 'we'? Those that are participating in the thread, and are the subjects of his derision. Is shorthand a foreign concept to you, or do you want to me to list every poster involved every time it is brought up. Think hard about this, as you will have to as well everytime you address more than one poster or leftism in general. I do love how you complain about strawman, while fighting your own. That is some next level poo poo.
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Nov 30, 2014 21:28
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Mormon Star Wars posted:This is dumb as hell. How can he be a "good history teacher" if, instead of teaching history, he is spending his time alienating his black students? Why would you want someone that interrupts his history teaching to engage in behavior that will gently caress up a kid's learning to continue teaching? Plus there is like a zero chance that their beliefs aren't somehow working their way into the material. I went to a christian school and believe me, personal biases do in fact get weaved into the material all the time.
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Nov 30, 2014 22:06
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When did that happen? I guess you are saying leftists support Obama? Which is not really true? Some do granted, but leftists aren't really big Obama supporters because you know, he is right wing.
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Dec 1, 2014 02:52
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hobbesmaster posted:This thread is getting rather meta. This thread was rather meta to begin with. It has basically drifted off topic and has become a topic about somehow an ideology that is basically on life support (in the US) is oppressing the dominate one. Then it gradually turned into us basically being Stalin without the Murder.
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Dec 2, 2014 01:08
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:The Supreme Court has articulated a relatively clear jurisprudence about speech - you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, is the classic example. It sounds as though you are arguing for a lower threshold. It's basically impossible to do so without becoming censors. If you accept that threshold, you are already engaging in censoring, you just decided that it is an acceptable level of censorship. So you are just debating about the details and how much censorship is enough. Of course you don't want to frame it as that, since it undermines your position a bit, but thems the breaks.
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on the left posted:To quote you from earlier in the thread, maybe they shouldn't "get pissy when challenged for their views" Why do you think universities are doing it? Some grand Feminists conspiracy?
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Dec 4, 2014 04:36
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on the left posted:
The police are a separate from the University, so they wouldn't really help the U in this case, the case being the U looking proactive.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:53
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No one said you can assault people. You can't do that. Also it seems silly you can make assumptions about motive, but we can't.
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Dec 4, 2014 05:09
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on the left posted:They won't sweep the leadership, they'll just continue to do what they want to do and put the customary money in the swear jar every time they hurt people's fee fees. True, your position is superior and your group is all powerful. Also the feminist conspiracy is in complete control and is using that power to stifle you. There is no contradiction here.
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on the left posted:I can't believe people get mad about a state-run organization policing speech. It's not like freedom of speech and association is one of the most important things the government is supposed to defer to whenever possible. That is your opinion but historically it doesn't hold up very well. The US has and will censor speech when it feels like it, just got to decide how much is enough.
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