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I like their header graphic. "Thanks to FIRE, I don't have to feel sad when truculent women, minorities and SJWs try to tell me how racist I am. Focus on me; the world is about me."
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Strong social ostracism? Get over yourselves. Or you know, participate in social activities with people who aren't conservatives. Oh that's right you can't because you fear and despise them. Who is promoting the ostracism?
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Nov 28, 2014 00:37
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Do you motherfuckers not understand that college is where you go to get your ideas challenged?
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Nov 28, 2014 00:39
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A real conservative should be utterly fearless in expressing his or her ideas:
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Nov 28, 2014 00:51
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TheImmigrant posted:When was the last time you had your left-wing ideas challenged at college? Have you ever considered attending an Objectivist lecture? Why not? I went to one once, just to see what it was about. I listened, thought about it, and was resoundingly unconvinced; but I was more secure in my rejection of Randianism after leaving than I had been when I walked in. I voted for Bush in college e: more seriously I went to see Jacob Hornberger and Glenn Greenwald at UW right before (I guess during, in retrospect) the Snowden poo poo. The Youth For Liberty or some other ronpaul poo poo hosted it, and the socialists set up a table with literature outside the hallway. but that was years after I went there woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Nov 28, 2014 |
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Nov 28, 2014 00:53
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Quidam Viator posted:From the teaching perspective, it unquestionably is. The deliberate murder of the full, tenured professorship has taken away a once-crucial bastion of intellectual speech and progress. Professors who might once have formed a nucleus for radical reformist thought are now too terrified to do anything other than bring in grant money and write papers. That's even if they make it to become professors; most American college teaching is now done by adjuncts and grad students, because they are cheap and easily disposed of. Excellent points and that just about covers it. The only ideology that is sacrosanct in universities is that money is swell and people with money should be courted at all costs. If conservatives want to be represented there they should spring for a new library or a speaker's series. Oh wait they do but the students aren't interested unless they're wearing blue dress shirts and khakis and are actually James O'Keefe undercover with a dart gun loaded with rohypnol.
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Nov 28, 2014 17:44
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I think Reddit (which is now Conde Nast) is probably a good example of private suppression of free speech. Their system efficiently suppresses any opinion that is not racist, misogynist and generally in line with the thought of 51% + of their racist, misogynist user base. It's not something that should see legal action but it's good to be aware of it.
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Nov 28, 2014 19:09
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TheImmigrant posted:Reddit, as publisher of the Reddit forum, is ultimately the one speaking when it publishes anything, even if initially written by someone else. If you don't like the rules or tone of Reddit, your freedom of speech means you have the right to set up your own forum to broadcast your own speech. You do not have a right to coerce others to publish your speech as their own. You just agreed with me.
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Nov 28, 2014 19:58
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Ernie Muppari posted:oh no how will outspoken newspaper editor dan savage overcome his vast petition writing and crying while room-leaving opposition Did you ever notice how Dan Savage became William F. Buckley? I didn't notice until just now
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Nov 29, 2014 01:15
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The Snark posted:That strawman sounds like a total dick. You should burn him. Haha no, that isn't true. The only thing an O'Reilly-watching moron has to teach is how not to live. quote:At the very least you can learn WHY they believe these things. Is it a matter of media representation? Is it simply parroting what their parents said? Do they feel it is a personal observation? We already know these things. But once you're presented with the fact of a grown person who believes them, the only thing we need to know is how to eliminate their influence.
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Nov 30, 2014 17:43
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The Snark posted:You are being definitively narrow minded if you believe you already know all you need to know and are almost certainly wrong. That's not what I said, you appear to be fuzzy-headed. You don't have to know everything to realize that some people's ideas have no value.
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Nov 30, 2014 18:13
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The Snark posted:All of their ideas? Does one bad idea mean they cannot have any good ideas? What is the threshold after which the entire person can be written off and silenced? After they spend the bulk of a class regurgitating racial stereotypes quote:By what mechanic does being wrong on X issue mean that there is absolutely nothing they can be right about? I wouldn't presume that this teacher is a poor driver or doesn't know how to bake a cake or something. But if a history teacher spends most of their time regurgitating racial stereotypes, you can definitely say that they are a terrible history teacher and should be taken out.
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Nov 30, 2014 19:10
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The Snark posted:No, they're just a bit foolish. Most human beings are. You, are not infallible and you are casually comfortable with disposing of what- for all you know- was otherwise a perfectly good history teacher. It is objectively impossible for that person to be a good history teacher. gently caress's wrong with you anyway? Are you afraid of all the people in your life who are worthless because they're racist? Well, they are.
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Nov 30, 2014 20:15
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TheImmigrant posted:I love white supremacy I know.
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Nov 30, 2014 20:32
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Yeah drat those internet posters for knowing what I really mean and what I'm really protecting.
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Nov 30, 2014 20:38
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Have you at all tried to explain what we learn from allowing people to just spew hate speech without even the mildest punishment from a private organization who'd rather not be associated with such views, as opposed to using the history of such movements and groups? We could learn that they're right. We could learn that Bill O'Reilly has great observations sometimes! If only you'd open your mind. Why are you walking out of class, black and Hispanic students? Ah, well. Certain "types" have been coddled by the academic mafia and so their minds remain closed. *drinks water smugly*
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Nov 30, 2014 20:42
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The Snark posted:The worst is that I do believe you believe this. If only it took psychic abilities, and not having the truth come out one thousand separate times.
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Nov 30, 2014 20:46
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TheImmigrant posted:I'm completely opposed to coercing a private organization to sponsor or publish speech it finds odious. Somehow we made the leap from generic conservative organizations to neo-nazi organizations. This is a prime example of the Che Brigade's hallmark strawmanning. You really must be insecure in your position if you immediately resort to mischaracterization of those who rebut your conclusory statements. No one here is advocating for the KKK to be given equal time at the Harvard commencement address. Not everyone to the right of the Young and Spotty Sandwich Artist Maoist (Reformed) Party is a neo-nazi. You don't need the KKK. The KKK was always an outlet for powerless trash. Powerful trash uses things like "hiring racist history teachers and acting like they haven't done anything wrong when they use their classroom as a platform for racist tirades." Your ilk has transcended the need for anything like a KKK, congratulations.
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Nov 30, 2014 21:08
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semper wifi posted:why is this thread full of leftists supporting restrictions on speech? In the real world you guys are the first ones they'd use the laws against. Is that the "real world" full of hulking black menaces? With good white policemen just trying to go home to their families. Rogue's gallery of concerned right-wing faux-intellectuals ITT
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Nov 30, 2014 21:13
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The Snark posted:I have sincerely seen more considerate posting in Hellthread. I am not clear on why that doesn't shame you all. C-consideration 
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Nov 30, 2014 21:16
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The Snark posted:Folks, when winning is all that matters- everyone loses. I'd like to think we might have collectively learned that from America's lovely two-party system by now. Somebody better tell all the white colonialists that this Bill O'Reilly-citing history teacher no doubt praises and admires that "when winning is all that matters- everyone loses."
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Nov 30, 2014 21:25
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Oh andThe Snark posted:You will wrongthink eventually, or simply be labeled as having done so by your peers looking for another nail to hit with that hammer. This already happened to us. Maybe when your balls drop you'll learn that racism is the norm in work and schooling, and to challenge it is "wrongthink" in most settings. These must be the settings you're used to thriving in.
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Nov 30, 2014 21:28
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I thought so, and anybody can click your post history to get a nice dose of it.CharlestheHammer posted:I do love how you complain about strawman, while fighting your own. That is some next level poo poo. When it comes to inside-the-bubble conservatives and racists, hypocrisy and holding the people you are attacking to a higher standard than you hold yourself isn't exactly next level. It's the first level.
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Nov 30, 2014 21:39
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Rollofthedice posted:edit: I know two (2) African-Americans from my high school personally. One of them was a violist in the orchestra. For a brief period, remarks about watermelons and KFC would be littered over our whiteboard by bored students. I'm not quite sure why they stopped, but my guess leans more toward 'lost interest' than 'was told to stop'. Hopefully that didn't lead to the black students becoming closed-minded and failing to root through each of the white racist students' racism for nuggets and pearls and jewels of wisdom IT'S ABOUT LEARNING FROM ONE ANOTHER, WHY WON'T YOU LEARN
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Dec 1, 2014 00:19
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A SECOND BLACK HAS HIT THE HARD SCIENCES
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Dec 1, 2014 00:37
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Effectronica posted:I don't know why people think that incidents like these are political in nature rather than universities becoming as intolerant and frightened of controversy as any other big business. It's funny to read, but thinking that a grand conspiracy of communists and trans women has taken over the state university system is downright paranoid. And if that's the case, what departments is this conspiracy taking over? Mechanical engineering?
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Dec 1, 2014 04:34
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TheImmigrant posted:It's pretty clear from this thread that failure to quash rightwing ideas is the same as rightwing extremism. Of course, we should have self-criticism hour in school where you stand up in front of the class and loudly confess to having had right-wing thoughts.
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Dec 1, 2014 23:45
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:As a Jewish student, I'm glad you used this example. If there was some weirdo spending my entire finance class sitting behind me, seething at the global Jewish conspiracy to control banking, I would much rather have him shout it out, and for the class to work it out as a group, then for him to sit there and learn nothing. I'd be the first to explain why he was being dumb. It's basically the only chance for students like that to learn. Ignoring it leads to the situation that the amici in Grutter saw in their own ranks. If you don't use educational facilities to educate racists, they'll just keep on being racists, straight through to where they occupy positions in industry where they discriminate against others and harm economic productivity. It's the process of "working it out as a group" that they object to. Because you will expose antisemitism, or climate change denial or whatever it is as baseless and to them that is censorship. They don't want to "be fixed" or to learn, they want to come out of college without having learned anything and a smugger look on their faces.
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Dec 2, 2014 01:42
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We actually have regular "Cultural Competency" classes at work and it's entertaining because there are always a couple of white college grads who have to wrap their heads around the concept of privilege itself. Oh their questions are so careful! They know that they are in danger. How amusing!
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Dec 2, 2014 18:21
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The Snark posted:The guy is conservative and surely wrong on more than one point, but that doesn't mean he's entirely wrong. No, it super does.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:44
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The Snark posted:Anyone who is wrong about anything is wrong about everything except cake baking maybe. No, conservatism specifically is an Amtrak ticket out of the World of Ideas.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:56
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The Insect Court posted:I bet she was a sizeist transphobe so if you wouldn't have taken part in the direct action campaign like those other activists then I guess you don't want to create a safe space for obese shemales on campus. I bet you like a lot of repugnant poo poo but will never say it out loud. Jacking off to the Police Beat column type poo poo.
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Dec 4, 2014 09:49
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Ernie Muppari posted:sounds like you just dont like dissenting opinions I keep trying to picture "a safe space for white males" that is safer than the current setup of "all of Earth and everything in it" Tarzana?
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VitalSigns posted:When the matriarchy is in chains, all betas can be alphas I'm imagining blog posts in the future from obese fedoras: "My gently caress-slave seems insouciant, even spiteful at times. Men are under attack."
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