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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Main Paineframe posted:

Keeping open nuclear plants that were already scheduled to close sounds like bad policy to me, anyway. Sure, nuclear is good, but context is important. Most plants in the US are forty-plus years old; their designs are terribly outdated and many of them have been operating longer than they were originally designed to be able to. As we bring new capacity online with safer and hardier modern designs, we really should be retiring some of the older plants. Although NIMBYism does influence nuclear plant closures, odds are good that at least some of those plants up for closing really ought to be put to rest.

The problem being that cheap solutions such as natural gas are offsetting any desire to build new Gen III plants outside of the one TVA is building, and Fukushima induced fear mongering is taking care of the rest.

Yes, we need new plants, but nobody has any reason to build them if there are cheaper (and dirtier) alternatives.

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Trabisnikof posted:

You're correct there is only 1 Gen III plant under construction but there are also 4 Gen III+ plants (AP1000) under construction in the US too.

Most of the construction permits are being dragged out to ensure that they never happen.

quote:

In August 2012, the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia found that the NRC's rules for the temporary storage and permanent disposal of nuclear waste stood in violation of the National Environmental Policy Act, rendering the NRC legally unable to grant final licenses for any further new nuclear power plants.[171] This ruling was based on the fact that the Yucca Mountain waste repository had never received a license due to its license application being withdrawn by the DOE nor had any viable alternative waste repository been proposed. So long as this ruling stands and this impasse on waste disposal exists, no additional nuclear plants can ever be licensed for operation in the United States.

We're still stuck here.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Dec 2, 2014

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Trabisnikof posted:

Not for those 5 plants under construction:

Watts Bar 2: on schedule as of Nov 2014 (http://www.tva.gov/power/nuclear/pdf/wb2_9th-q_summary_nov2014.pdf)

Vogtle 3 & 4: under construction, building main containment building as of Nov 2014 (http://www.southerncompany.com/what-doing/energy-innovation/nuclear-energy/gallery/new/)

V.C. Summers 1 & 2: under construction, delayed 1-2 years due to fabrication issues (http://www.scana.com/NR/rdonlyres/CC6965BC-FFE3-4080-914C-1BFFE858EFE7/0/BLRA3Q2014.pdf)

You might be confusing the proposed plants with these 5 that actually are being built.

Possibly, but I knew me and my Physics professor were looking over the proposals that are currently stuck in court.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Trabisnikof posted:

Agreed that there are more far more proposals than the 5 under construction, but there are 5 under construction.


Also, to the issue of storage, the NRC just finalized the rule-making response to the court case, which will remove that specific blocking point: http://public-blog.nrc-gateway.gov/2014/07/24/waste-confidence-final-rule-now-before-the-commission/

If you want the finalized rule it is here:

http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/wcd/documents.html

Surprisingly wikipedia isn't up to date.

Finally! Thanks for the link, I'll share that with him.

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