poopkitty posted:

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/crime/2014/12/03/submarine-wyoming-women-camera-shower/19827247/

Alrite. Which one of you was this?

poopkitty posted:

You are familiar with the policy that allows someone who has been violated the ability to be transferred so as to not have to see their violator every day, yes? Or do you not listen in the quarterly SAPR GMTs?

poopkitty posted:

Policy has been around since before that, shippie.

vulturesrow posted:

And this why we still have endless amounts of SAPR and sexual harassment training.

PneumonicBook posted:

The best advice I ever got as a junior sailor was to prepare as if you were doing twenty, regardless of what you're actually doing/think you're doing. That advice has never not served me well.


I don't want to dogpile the guy but yea, this 100%. His posts remind me a lot of my brother, who's an E4 (as an FC) and been in for five years and his command constantly shits on him but he's really the super star etc etc.


The military is also piss rear end easy to do well in. Like I show up with an attitude that isn't awful and I'm not a mouth breather, so I'm in charge of people and am generally left alone. I know why people stay in, it's tempting as hell to go back to a ship and make chief and be in charge of a bunch of idiots. If I didn't have kids I WOULD do that because for loving real the Navy is one of the easiest jobs (DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A NUKE THIS DOESNT APPLY TO NUKES OMG IGNORE THIS IF YOU ARE A NUKE) to excel in I've ever had. Like they hand you a nice organized checklist and say "If you do these things (ESWS/MTS/College?Volunteer/whatever) you will advance and make more money. It's also for the most part completely in your hands. If you're not advancing because you're an idiot and bad at tests (like my brother) you can fix that, unless you're a lazy piece of poo poo (like my brother)

I don't disagree that the military is full of petty bullshit and is generally terrible, but goddamn some of you guys post like the Navy literally desecrated your Dad's grave.

PneumonicBook posted:

Absolutely agreeing with you. A lot of people don't actually improve themselves when they're in though. Like I'm kind of assuming you got a job solely based on what you did in the Navy, and I think for a lot of rates that's pretty rare. The big secret is that the Navy will literally pay you to go to school/get certs/do apprenticeships and essentially set yourself up for civilian life, but a lot of people are incredibly lazy. Whenever I ask people I work with when they're going to start school I normally get a response like "Oh, probably next month..." for every month. As a functioning human being that poo poo absolutely boggles my mind.

Octopode posted:

Here's a (not) shocking truth: being a junior enlisted Sailor is an entry level job, and you get treated like an entry level employee, with all the bullshit that entails, until you can prove you're a competent enough individual to adapt to the culture and lifestyle to not be treated like a barely functional child. If you can't manage to make the slight adjustments to your behavior and attitude required to not make everyone you work with hate you, congratulations, your time in the Navy will be terrible. Then, you will get out, and likely end up annoying your new civilian coworkers and boss just as much, but they don't have to live with you, so they just go home and bitch to their families about you instead of trying to make you adapt and become a functional worker because it's just easier that way.

And if you meet all the above criteria and are dumb enough to also enlist as a nuke, well, you probably deserve what you get.

PneumonicBook posted:

The myriad of programs the navy has that are setup specifically to do just that disagrees with you.

Navy COOL
Tuition Assistance
GI Bill
TAPS/GPS (to a lesser degree)
US MAPS

I mean maybe the Navy wants you to use these things to better excel in the Navy, but then why advance people that don't take advantage of these? Really, the BPME/IPME/PPME courses by the Navy War College are set up to further your actual Navy knowledge.

I'll concede that most commands won't give a poo poo if you're going to school full time while doing certs and US MAPS poo poo and won't give you extra time to get them done(some will), but the programs exist.

I mean there are a million opportunities the Navy gives you, I'd argue that if you get out of the military with just an NEC and your basic job training then you;ve done yourself a disservice.

PneumonicBook posted:

lol SMART transcripts are garbage.

Every week I ask my students "Who here has been told they can basically get a degree by applying all of your ~Navy Credits~ to it?" and every week I crush a lot of dreams. Better they know out of A school than learn when they've been in for six years.

Yea like I said your command probably won't give a poo poo but it's doable. Granted you kind of have to ignore your family for a little bit...

Some of the programs are super easy too, like US MAPS is a loving joke. Granted I don't know if the pieces of paper I'm collecting are worth anything, but it's not like it takes any actual effort to get them other than filling out a form on a website every week.

PneumonicBook posted:

Yea its the apprenticeship one. You get a piece of paper from the Department of Labor that basically says 'Hey maybe this guy might no something in this field possibly'.

buttplug posted:

I'm sorry for your experiences, but let me clue you in on a nugget of truth: the military does not exist to "set you up for success" once you get out. I don't give two shits what leadership gets up on their soapbox and spouts, it is simply not how the organization is structured. The military exists to fight wars and kill people. Plain and simple.

That being said, there are tons of opportunities within the military that you can utilize to set yourself up for success. One thing you *should* have learned in the Navy is that rarely will anybody do anything for you purely of their own volition; however, in that same sense the military won't just "take care of you" for your future, either. BUT, if you ask for help and show that you're motivated to take advantage of those opportunities (and you can get the basics right like showing up for work, doing your job, quals, etc) and would like to pursue the nebulous aforementioned "opportunities" there are a shitload of people who will bend over backwards to obtain.

I've got $30,000 worth of certs -- all on the gov't time. I'm getting a master's on the gov't dime. I know people who have gone to Yale/Stanford/MIT/Georgetown/Harvard - all while active duty (3 of whom are still attending said institutions). Look at programs like STA-21, LEP (Law Education Program - send people to get their JD), or USNA programs (E4 in my divison was just picked up to go to the Academy). There are a ton of opportunities but nobody's going to drop that poo poo into your lap, especially not when you've got a weak-rear end attitude like Panda (and yours, apparently). The military didn't bone you and isn't boning him - you both boned yourselves by being negative-nancy whiners instead of applying yourself.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Dunno what non aviation guys get out of staying in, though. gently caress that noise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akt6ifvLmnc

buttplug posted:

tl;dr You sound like just as much of a negative, disillusioned whiner as Panda who probably whined your whole time in, instead of taking advantage of all the opportunities the military writ large has to offer.

vulturesrow posted:

buttplug posted:

Haha, you're a loving riot. First, I'm not ROTC. And second, I remember when a couple of you gently caress-knuckles 'sperged over something that I pulled of globalsecurity. Here you go, here's my "classified" source you nit-wit. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oplan-5027.htm

vulturesrow posted:

I don't claim to understand every detail of E3 life although I did come from a pretty blue collar family. But I can see how Pandas latest post set butttplug off. Even when I read it I was kind of like wtf dude. And yeah I honestly believe aviation is the best for everyone, from E1 on up.

ManMythLegend posted:

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

Just reverse engineered some malware...heh

drat son are you for real?

SquirrelyPSU posted:

Weather algorithms, robotics, and temperature distributions in metal.

So yes. Nerd.

vulturesrow posted:

IDC warrior trying to call someone a nerd lol.

DustyNuts posted:

Still on PCS leave report: Went to Medieval Times in Dallas. Front row seats, and our knight (yellow) fuckin owned all the other scrubs and won the scripted tournament. This must be what it feels like when your favorite WWE dude wins a match you're at. Food was OK. Sparks fly off the swords when they clash. I had 4 beers for the price of three six packs. Still worth it.

OK back to officer chat

ManMythLegend posted:

Basically, yes.