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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Let's try to find out if God exists or not
 
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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

 Let me tell you all about these puddles who formed after it rained one day. "How remarkable!" said one to the other "that we as bodies of water should just so happen to exist in depressions in the ground capable of containing us! Surely a benevolent god must have crafted the universe such that these depressions were here for us. Too shallow or too deep and we wouldn't be here at all!"

Stupid loving puddles.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Ernest Hemingway posted:

To be fair, in issuing this statement I was only stating the assumption behind my previous claim that "There is a possible world where a necessary supernatural being exists." (which is arguably also bullshit).

And you're exactly right about Kant, who has been the schoolyard bully of the ontological argument for centuries.

That said, his argument in The Critique isn't quite the death knell it is often made out to be. While it certainly made people shut up out the ontological argument for awhile, more recent attempts to revive the argument that operate via modal considerations are intriguing and can't be dismissed off-hand. Ultimately, Kant's objection may hold - but it is still important to be able to demonstrate how it holds in the face of more sophisticated formulations of the ontological argument. Modal logic appears to offer, at the very least, some wiggle room for would-be rationalizing theists. e.g. Plantinga's response is well known: http://mind.ucsd.edu/syllabi/02-03/01w/readings/plantinga.html

Have you considered the possibility that the existence or nonexistence of gods makes absolutely no difference to your lived experience, as you suffer alone and without purpose in an indifferent universe just as you would if there were no gods?

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

 Yeah he did. Captain Picard ends the episode by saying that right before he got taken away, David Warner made him believe he saw five lights.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

VitalSigns posted:

Yeah I meant the tri-omni God. I admit that reasoning doesn't rule out the TOS Squire of Gothos explanation that God is a cruel child who created the universe as a lark one summer afternoon and pretty soon his parents will make him put his toys away and come to dinner.

That's like every fifth episode of the old show. Rational humans killing God with cool reason and socialism is like Roddenberry's favorite story next to old men getting to gently caress pretty young women.

Except for that one where they to the Roman Planet and it turns out Jesus is real and just shows up on other planets sometimes.

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