Gantolandon posted:

The author wrote about the radical left because this is the side of political spectrum she used to support. She described behaviors and ideological quirks that has driven her away from this particular group. Dismissing the article because other people also behave similarly completely misses the point.

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Citation needed. If this forum is representative, this isn't always the case.

Casimir Radon posted:

Some people would like a more progressive world and that's not going to happen with dumbfucks like you trying to dominate every issue with nonsense. Pretend I posted the picture of you with the whips.

Brannock posted:

Brannock posted:

This is the latest example of your bad habit, borne of reflexive defensiveness, of pretending that you're actually just misunderstood because you're so brilliant no one can follow your posting. I doubt this is the case, and you should too if it consistently and continually happens to you.

Brannock posted:

Now you're accusing me of stalking? I've posted at you like four times total. Five now I suppose.

Widestancer posted:

Thats kind of a weird assumption to make dude. Sometimes people you've never seen post aren't members of a cabal of evil doxxing Republicans and just disagree with you maybe.

Space Whale posted:

South Park did a brilliant take on this.

Gantolandon posted:

OK, to sum the last page up:

1. Privilege is a very important concept and definitely not broken, even if very frequently misused as a cudgel. Nothing is wrong here, move along.
2. People who criticized the concept got it all wrong. We won't deign to tell you why, it's your job to educate yourselves and defend our position for us.
3. Why are you so interested in criticizing our theory if not to hinder our efforts? Who are you to tell us we are wrong? CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE WHITE CIS SCUM!!!

I expected this won't be so overt in the topic about an essay that describes and criticizes exactly this behavior, but can't say I'm very surprised.

goatse.cx posted:

Exaggerated but people really haven't raised any convincing defense of privilege theory so far itt.

Space Whale posted:

Well, yeah. I also wasted years in offsite LFs before and after SA got sick of their poo poo and killed that subforum. Which is why I'm so sick of the bullshit now.

Funny how that works out isn't it?

Again, the "mistake" being "this could offend Koreans" is one thing. Acting like I need to kowtow to people who look for poo poo to point and fuss over who aren't even the possible target of a "hurtful word" is kinda bs though. I certainly don't owe them any apologies.

Now, if I triggered a war crime victim? I would actually regret that.

Space Whale posted:

Yo, think about this for a second. Step away from your side and think critically. I know you can.

Do I really owe forum warriors apologies and contrition because of some tone deafness with my "buncha dumbfucks" being a little too colorful?

Does bad word saying really matter that much, or is it just a power play in specific contexts to get a little bit of power and influence over others with that self righteousness?

Remember when growing up someone would go "Don't take the lord's name in vain!" or "don't use cuss/curse words!" What exactly is this except "do as I say and I'll make you"?

Space Whale posted:

So, about that point I was trying to make that people are more motivated to hunt for poo poo to go witch hunting about and draw oh so many conclusions based on someone's willingness to "apologize" to people enforcing the do not say word list?

You're literally calling me a lost cause, lost to the isms, for have all of the ists, and I am sure to become a Republican even? Because I don't feel like I owe apologies to forum warriors? Nobody here is even Korean.

goatse.cx posted:

Agreed on most points. Though I'd like to point out some of the most vociferous critics of privilege theory are marxists/hard left.

Space Whale posted:

Why should I play along with "you slipped up, ooooohhhhhhhhhh, better be sorry!" people? I really don't like busybodies and the time wasting inquisitions they start are something I want to make a point of illustrating and pushing back against!

Space Whale posted:

Is this kind of vociferous tone policing productive or just something we haven't critically analyzed yet? I'm serious.

wateroverfire posted:

I think it's pretty ineffective IMO.

After all my privilege checking I come to the following realizations:

I have an awesome family that has spread out all over, and can help me with stuff if need be.

I have lots of successful friends.

I got a good education that I have put to use.

Luckily, lots of horrible things that could have happened didn't happen to me.

Etc.

Some people can't say the same.

Therefore...what, exactly? Am I supposed to feel bad about that? Because tbh it feels pretty good. I got a little mood boost just thinking about it actually.

Space Whale posted:

Oh, I'm an rear end in a top hat. I've been formed, forged, quenched, tempered, ground, and honed into an rear end in a top hat. The chips on my shoulder have fine edges. I will own up to that.

I really hate the "Drop everything I'm upset!" crap from so-called wannabe revolutionaries and activists who can't stand naughty words. I can't stand that it's spread to the point trigger warnings have seeped into loving everything. I hate that people with real PTSD and panic disorders are erased when pumpkin spice latte (the more common of the PSLs, heh, <3 the real one tho) loses her starbucks and blogs about it.

If you're really an oppressed person trying to be a revolutionary and change the world consider toughening the gently caress up. I thought these oppressed persons were all tough and worked hard for little pay and had to support lots of people with their work while facing the dread of poverty, their families dying young, and the hopelessness of it getting better in the next generation.

Wait, I faced that, and all these marxoteens are babies looking for poo poo to be angry about! Welp.

Flectarn posted:

you're an oversensitive loser imo

wateroverfire posted:

Ok, cool. That's pretty reasonable but then I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Space Whale posted:

"you don't get to...." says who?

wateroverfire posted:

Well ok let's stipulate that no one can speak to the lived experiences of anyone else because, you know, you didn't actually live that. What follows from that? Don't we have to find common ground to organize?

Job Truniht posted:

Deal with it you big baby. He did daybsomething offensive. That does not mean you get to spend 5 pages talking about how outraged you are about it.

SedanChair posted:

Also, shout out to defender of the white race WORST FORUMS GUY who would just love to be participating in this discussion, but unfortunately is on probation so is limited to sending me a PM consisting of the word "human being" repeated 500 times

Space Whale posted:

I really lost my mind trolling a bunch of predictable pansies for 5 pages, you sure showed and told me I tell ya w-hat.

Job Truniht posted:

Literally the best thing that could happen to the left is if it's organization became autocratic in a sense that someone representative of its core goal and forced everyone either to fall in line kick out the non believers. Banning Tumblr and privilege theory in general from leftist social discourse would also help.cehere we're going doesn't require distinction about race or gender.

Space Whale posted:

I did it. Why did everyone let me if this is so predictable you gotta bust out the brows?

YOU of all people, who post threads in places I've been about how tiring it is to post in DnD to get people on the side lines to see the way you see things, should have seen what I was doing, especially since we're not strangers! You've shown yourself to have a big brain and the willingness to use it over the years.

I felt like taking a vacay from seriousness to go trolling where I eat, and it turns out being subverting the subversives uncovered some weaknesses we don't want to address.

Seriously, if you guess who I am shoot me a PM and I'll mail you some beer for Christmas for my trouble. If you can't by Christmas I'll send you a case, 'cause you're too stressed to think straight.

Job Truniht posted:

Or it could be that those groups are the makeup of every successful socialist movement in the last two centuries. Do you think the Bolshevicks were open to policital discourse? I disagree with Zizek's argument that you can't go from revolutionary violence to post revolutionary politics. All you have to do is purge the revolutionaries.

People can't be full time leftists. I think that's consequently why they bring intangible poo poo in to poison the well without any regard for its harmful effects. A dedicated leader could be that full time leftist.

Who What Now posted:

Why so many saying you're white? I can count the times you mention your race on one hand.

Space Whale posted:

Getting people to get over their needs for purity and instead realize human beings are fallible creatures with perhaps wildly different views and lived experiences that they bring with them, and you need to get a thick skin and realize you won't get your way 100% is my specific agenda.

All of this "We're sick of some babby bishie bolshevik screaming CYP all day" poo poo didn't erupt out of the ether, nor was it some insidious trolling by moles from the right. It's your own sick of the poo poo they put up with to try to find company and organize and do things. Even if the theory is fine a lot of people use it in a bad way.

Job Truniht posted:

I have an agenda alright. I think almost everyone on Tumblr is insecure and mentally ill. Their political alignment is based solely on projecting those insecurities.

Job Truniht posted:

I think modern feminists, privilege, and LGBT activists should be banned from leftist discourse. Specifically, the internet and neb-activist kind that poo poo up said website above and are the source of wherever mockery GBS is willing to give them. I think they're wholly toxic in their creation. You're free to join those groups. You're free to exist within those groups and discourse within those groups. You're even free to come into leftist activism as being self identified as any of those groups. You're not free to discuss anything other than leftism within the leftist movement. It's not discrimination. It's not spite. It's good sense, because anyone with good sense would've recognized that the feel good bullshit that they bring to the table entirely conflicts with core leftism in every possible way. It cannot afford to make the distinctions that these people are making.

Minarchist posted:

I think he was referring to the "kill all men" and "all sex is rape" and "PATRIARCHYYYYYY~" types of radical feminists that people tend to automatically associate with feminism as a whole because of how drat loud they are.

Job Truniht posted:

But will you complain about being called an rear end in a top hat for equating what I said with racism? Where do you come up with this poo poo? You just read the first loving sentence and went on a tangent.

If you think these ideologies are wholly compatible, then put out some reasons why. I said they were incompatible.

Job Truniht posted:

At first it was "they don't exist", then "they don't exist outside they internet", and then it was "they exist but don't matter".


It doesn't make any of these people less awful, or any of your defense of them less contemptible. You cannot simultaneously decry blanket message when applying blanket defense for that special snowflake of an ideology you're trying to protect. If you cannot make that dissimilarity, if you're not willing to make that dissimilarity, then leftism is doomed.

Virtually every publication I read on the failures of OWS have quickly pointed to its incoherent bullshit it pedaled as it went. It'll be OWS every single time. It'll be feel good bullshit against the powers that be who are quite willing and able to use violence to keep their interest.

None of those ideologies I described are core leftist tenants. You don't have to be a leftist to pursue any of those agendas. You can pursue those agendas entirely within context within the already existing system. It's like calling Democrats leftist. At some point, people are going to think you're absurd.

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The fact that you are bringing this into question makes me believe that you believe it's debatable that class alone isn't good enough of an issue.

Job Truniht posted:

I'll reiterate: I don't disagree with feminism. I just don't think it holds a place in leftism.

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Was it the white protestors or what the police did to them? I'm pretty sure the police was going to do what the police was going to do no matter what, because they also have something to lose.