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I hardly ever take part in these conversations because they are so drat painful for me. I get infuriated with all this poo poo about Social Justice Warrior and Tumblr as if it is some kind of boogeyman. There is a thread in Games about GTA V where the conversation started heading in the direction of maybe having a female protagonist and you pretty much got expected results even though 15 percent of the fanbase is female. Then I remember a thread where a lot of goons lost their poo poo, over the notion that White opinions can be worth less than minority opinions on racial matters. The funny thing about that is that minority opinions are often seen as worthless in almost all matters. But there was this one aspect of society where people just lost their poo poo at not being seen as equals in the conversation.
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Space Whale posted:Having different life experiences - wrongs. Those different life experiences often make you blind to racial and gender issues. But I'm going to stop talking about it, because this is definitely headed to a bad direction.
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Dec 9, 2014 04:37
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Space Whale posted:Focusing on race and gender issues can make you blind to other problems people have, and the #800 gorilla of class is still busy sitting in the corner waiting to be relevant again. You know when you enter into a conversation on racial issues, the worst thing you can try to do is change the subject to talk about yourself or your own pet issues or how its really about class.
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Dec 9, 2014 04:47
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Space Whale posted:This thread isn't about racial issues, it's about how radicals can't communicate or cooperate. Holy poo poo, are you even paying attention to the conversations you are having? I posted a post about things dealing with race. You replied about your life experiences or some poo poo and how it allowed you to have a viable opinion when it came to those matters, and then you followed up with poo poo about how dealing with class is supposed to help racial issues. Also, leftism can be about more than gender and race, but it isn't Zero-sum. But when you go into conversations telling people to stop talking about certain things so you can talk about your own pet things, it makes you sound like an rear end.
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Dec 9, 2014 04:58
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Space Whale posted:It certainly doesn't give me viable opinions on race or womanhood or queerness, but it does give me "viable" opinions on being an orphan, poor, traumatized, and so on. As for people pretending to be black or queer, who the gently caress cares? Also, Who rules the roost on the left?
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Dec 9, 2014 05:11
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Space Whale posted:If you actually are a 32 year old black guy, uh, you might? I guess? It's cool if you don't though. Im not 32 and I don't pretend to be black. I find it amazing that people actually think its an advantage to be black in this day and age. Also, I doubt Beyonce is ruling the left. That is because there is no leader on the left. In fact the left tends to be made of a large group of different people who believe different things. But you seem to be harboring a lot of resentment against minorities and women for some reason.
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Dec 9, 2014 05:31
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Mortley posted:I know the consensus was that this thread derailed repeatedly and went to poo poo, but the last 5 posts have followed exactly what the article in the OP recommends - in activism, look for concrete policy recommendations which are informed by theory rather than political vaporware. Yet, there are things that cannot be fixed by policy alone. People like to jump on body cameras as a way to fix these killings of minorities by police officers, yet we got one that was filmed on video and nothing happened. But Guy DeBorgore's point was reached simply by listening to those specific in the community and giving them a voice instead of insinuating that if you help a specific group, then all groups will be helped.
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