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Smudgie Buggler posted:How is a chimpanzee any less capable of bearing, much less fulfilling, a legal duty than a newborn baby? We don't grant infants or children in general anywhere near full personhood, they're (correctly) denied a ton of basic rights that an adult has. e: Not talking about esoteric poo poo like signing a contract either, I mean a lot of the most mundane everyday actions of parent raising a toddler would be kidnapping and assault if you did them to an adult. Kids barely get to control anything about their lives. Torka fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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Twelve by Pies posted:I'm not okay with killing animals yet I leave out poison traps for ants, bug zappers on my porch, and don't think twice about burning yellow jacket nests, am I fundamentally betraying myself? Meh, with their incredibly simple nervous systems insects are pretty much just biological robots. They have no inner life
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Main Paineframe posted:So, what, robots aren't deserving of personhood, even though they are potentially more intelligent than any animal can ever be? I meant in the sense of a mindless machine that just takes an input stimulus and spits out the appropriate output. Maybe automaton would have been a better word, if you associate the word robot with some future consciousness-possessing AI we might invent
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Nah, that's dumb. Insects aren't conscious.
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The lines being blurry is a problem worth thinking about but if you want to live in the world and not be paralysed with inaction you need to make a decision at some point, and that's where mine is regarding killing insects. I'm comfortable making the inference from the simplicity of their nervous systems that they have no inner experience worth acknowledging at a moral level.
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Cantorsdust posted:Is pain what we as humans truly dislike, or is it suffering? Something I've always noticed about drinking alcohol while I'm in physical pain is that it doesn't actually reduce the sensation of pain the way a proper analgesic like acetaminophen does, it just makes me not mind it. It's still there but it stops being bothersome, somehow. Torka fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Dec 7, 2014 |
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