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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Do Apes have the rights of personhood?
 
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Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!
what like, right now? no i'm pretty sure they dont

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Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

disheveled posted:

Personhood is for humans and I believe it fundamentally needs to be that way. You need to be that strict about that definition because the entire point is to protect human rights for humans who can't protect themselves, like the mentally handicapped. When you begin including non-human species, you dilute and confuse the definition, you inevitably end up with a tiered system, and a likely result is that you fail to protect humans as you should. I am aware that there are legal scholars who suggest that we can create a tiered system which will be functional and not a total loving disaster of untold proportions, but I am, uh, a bit pessimistic about that. I believe it's far more likely to hurt disabled humans than to help non-human primates — you turn a human being into a monkey in the eyes of the legal system, not the other way around.

Do chimps and other highly intelligent animal species deserve a large subset of human rights? Absolutely and without a doubt. If there is an argument that chimpanzees should not be held in captivity, make it on its own merits, and devise a separate category to protect them and give them legal rights. Lab experimentation on chimps is basically dead in the water in the US — and I fully agree with that choice — and that was achieved without any tenuous personhood arguments.

A tiered system of living being rights that has humans at the top is acceptable, but you can't develop your tiers out of characteristics, because the uncountable exceptions to any categorization besides species is going to bring you into a world of poo poo. Trying to break it down by "how intelligent" we perceive a species to be is impossible.

im also very worried about an outer limits premise

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Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

drilldo squirt posted:

No, your a living breathing person with his own mind and opinions and I also disagree with burning african villages to the ground.

No I'm pretty sure humans are a kind of Dumb Animal, not a Dumb Plant, or a Dumb Protist.

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