Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

Yeah, they resisted for a bit but it didn't take them long to realize how disastrous the campaign was. Really, I never think it was about cutting out the female demographic as much as it was for them to produce a diet soda that guys would be more drawn toward. They just did it in a really, really dumb way.

Tired Moritz posted:

are they not calamari rings

AlmightyBob posted:

United is really on a roll http://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-united-low-priority-passenger-20170412-story.html

jojoinnit posted:

Wasn't there a spate of airline hijackings and stuff through the 70s and 80s featuring Islamic terrorists? I've seen old movies and the idea that terrorism was chiefly Muslim may have started after 9/11 but it definitely didn't start as a new thing then.

Baron Corbyn posted:

They're playing Roland and the Man in Black in the Dark Tower movie adaptation and they've apparently decided the best way to to promote the movie is to be like those weirdos who role play on Twitter.

walrusman posted:

It did make me think of that, for sure. It probably takes some time to build up a trafficking operation of that scale, probably longer than the place had been open, so was it just a front all along? Were people enjoying the camarones al diablo because there were traces of horse on the shrimp?

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Here's a fun one: Republican villain and Bill Maher stooge Ben Sasse wrote a predictably awful book, but the reviews report an unexpected objection. Props to the hero working at Sasse's publisher.

Waffleman_ posted:

To nobody's defense, I'm pretty sure this is an "epic" prank video.

The MSJ posted:

You be the judge if this clip is good or bad marketing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEEnUc4H6i4

poptart_fairy posted:

It is possible to think of Rihanna as silly for courting controversy with photoshoots on religious grounds, while also thinking this campaign is dumb, and that Chris Brown is a piece of poo poo woman beater.

Thank you for allowing three thoughts at once.

zedprime posted:

I like my steak well done with a nice sugar crust so it browns easier.

Diet Poison posted:

Podcast ads all being the same companies really contributes to advertising fatigue, though. It's like how when you're at your parents' place and they still have broadcast tv, and you see the same commercial 10 times an hour. Does not make me want to buy that product.

Veotax posted:

Personally I thought the initial version shown with the goo monsters and geometric ships looked more interesting than the one we got.

Phanatic posted:

You're 100% right about tuition, but even putting aside the number of markets that simply didn't exist in 1975, that statement you made right there is one that could only have been uttered by someone who never tried to find employment as a woman in 1975. Back then it was pretty much "Hope you like secretarial work" or wearing an apron.

Krispy Wafer posted:

Sure it is. Still seems a little silly to get upset over a joke that actually acknowledges something Native Americans dealt with when the default mode in American life is to just ignore them until you want to highlight some noble savage stereotype.

Maybe it's different out West where you are more likely to encounter Native Americans. In other parts of the country they are literally never thought of until Thanksgiving rolls around or you go to a casino.

And to be clear, it's a bad joke that should never have been printed. But it's still kind of silly.

Krispy Wafer posted:

Here here.

It's not genocide. Had Native Americans domesticated animals we'd been trading devastating plagues back and forth across the Atlantic, but as it turned out all they had was syphilis and tobacco. We did a lot of deliberately terrible things to aboriginal peoples. Small pox wasn't one of them.

Patrick Spens posted:

You get that there's a difference between true and false things right? And that repeating false details in the service of a broader point is still bad? Yes white people did terrible thing to Aboriginal people, and yes the ad was terrible, but the specific claim they're responding to is false.

Dylan16807 posted:

Plagues and genocide both happened.

But they were not the same thing.

quote:

During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused. Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."

It is not known who conceived the plan, but there's no doubt it met with the approval of the British military in America and may have been common practice. Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt: "Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them." He ordered the extirpation of the Indians and said no prisoners should be taken. About a week later, he wrote to Bouquet: "You will Do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race."

Dylan16807 posted:

Phlegmish posted:

He's right in the sense that those epidemics were not genocide. That was completely unintentional. I'm pretty sure that one British guy in the eighteenth century is the only example of someone attempting to do it on purpose, and historians aren't even sure it actually happened in the end.

Of course, a lot of the other things that happened constituted genocide, so by association it's a pretty hosed up subject for an ad. Like an edgy Internet meme that somehow found its way into print.

Plastik posted:

Or, you know, because it was an intersocietal interaction and not really an outlier for interactions between substantially different cultures throughout history, whereas the Holocaust was the systematic extermination of a subgroup of a society by that society and their government. Like, I'm half native and even I know they're entirely different things only conflated by idiots on the Internet.

Maybe the reason idiots on both sides are posting half-baked hot takes has something to do with this not being a sociology thread though.

Dylan16807 posted:

But if the ad said "Hey Jews we're sorry about that 'wandering the desert for 40 years' thing", plenty of people would point out that wasn't a Holocaust thing. Even though the Holocaust did kill people via exposure, hundreds of years later.

Plastik posted:

It's not my reading comprehension that sucks, friend. They're fundamentally different on every single level. Comparing what was done to native North Americans to the Holocaust is ignorant and offensive to all affected parties.

This is exactly what I meant by "half-baked hot takes."

Phlegmish posted:

Who else speculated on it that hasn't been cited yet? I can find no instance of it even being mentioned outside of this specific conflict, and there's nothing to indicate that these attempts were actually successful, or that conscious biological warfare in the Americas ever resulted in something that could be reasonably termed a genocide. It's such a weird thing to focus on when there were so many well-documented and recurrent atrocities committed by Europeans that did result in a heightened mortality rate for Native Americans.

It doesn't mean the ad is appropriate, it's still disrespectful and it never should have been approved.

Johnny Aztec posted:

Hey, I agree with you in that the treatment of the Natives for the past 400 years, and still going, has been terrible.


But right now? Right here?
I don't really care. Best I can do is hope the politicians I vote for maybe do something about it?

The only Native I have ever met was a guy who was loving (and later married) his daughter and is now serving a life sentence.

I had them in some college classes a loong time ago, and then about 3 years ago, I bought a storage unit at auction that ended up having belonged them.
Brought her back some "family" photos....then later she had to make it weird by trying to friend me on facebook.

Johnny Aztec posted:

I know, right? She was cute, but haha no way I was touching that with a ten foot pole.

Memento posted:

http://www.german-racewars.com/

Did no one think about this for more than three tenths of a second?

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:

Maybe it’s because I just watched hbomberguy’s “Woke Brands” but he describes how a brand will make an extremely controversial statement (of any sort) and allow social media to do the advertising for them, for free.

TheMaskedUgly posted:

To be fair, if you're not allowed to have an AMA on 8chan for 'childporn controvorsies', really what sites are you allowed to do an AMA on?

Reddit's out
4chan's out
even facebook and twitter have their noncing issues

Pastry of the Year posted:

oh great





agh

Veotax posted:

Bethesda released a free tabletop RPG to promote the next expansion for The Elder Scrolls Online. That's pretty cool I guess.

If it wasn't for the fact that they just plagiarised a D&D Module from 2016

Alhazred posted:

By all accounts, working at an Amazon warehouse is a hellish job. Over the years, countless reports have detailed brutal conditions that involve constant observation, inhumane physical demands (including a quota structure that discourages using the bathroom), and, to ensure no pesky sense of hope creeps into this picture, the company’s constant efforts to ensure its workers can’t unionize.

In order to combat all of this, Amazon, like a totalitarian regime offering guided tours to international observers, now provides tours of its fulfillment centers in order to show “what our warehouses are really like.”

Tiggum posted:

https://twitter.com/brockway_llc/status/1226922282972434432

Platystemon posted:

Also Whole Foods:



I’d never considered casual shoplifting before, but now that you mention it…