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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I know every reviewer in the world is falling over themselves to circle-jerk over how great Marvel Star Wars is after one mediocre issue but the Dark Horse stuff really was pretty good. The Republic/Clone Wars series that ran from 1998-2006 really blew the prequels out of the water (which I know is damning with faint praise, but they were still great). Plus whatever one thinks of them, stuff like Tales/Dawn of the Jedi, KOTOR, Legacy, even Dark Empire at the time took chances that I doubt Marvel will ever allow, even after the sequel trilogy is over and they have some more space.

Hakkesshu posted:

Maybe I should repost my reviews of the Dark Horse Aliens sequel comics here, if anyone's interested? Don't wanna be too self-indulgent and they are fairly loving big posts.

The only Aliens comic I've read was Labyrinth and that was pretty drat intense.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Having just reread it for the first time in years, The Prisoner: Shattered Visage was a really great tie-in comic that both managed to predate the trend of tie-ins and surpass pretty much all of them in terms of quality. Plus it was such a weird choice to make a comic sequel to.

Actually on the topic of weird choices, has anyone read Marvel's 2001: A Space Odyssey comics?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Out of curiosity, was the Karen Traviss GI Joe comic where Cobra are the real heroes as bad as I would assume a comic with that concept and author would be?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Didn't she get fired/quit from her work on Halo in similar circumstances to her departure from Star Wars?

Actually looking through her Wiki page, it looks like that GI Joe comic was the last big thing she's done. The only other work listed on her page after it is a one-shot Wonder Woman comic and even that was a year ago now.

Also, the fact that Karen Traviss did Wonder Woman requires some processing.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

If anyone wants to read it, her post about Jedis = Nazis is still on her website:

http://www.karentraviss.com/page22/files/Is_it_true_you_hate_Jedi_.html

quote:

But once you're past the age of puberty and you start arguing passionately with me that the Jedi were right to accept a slave army of cloned human beings and use them in war, and cloned humans aren't proper humans like us, and it was too bad the clones died, and the Jedi had no choice - well, sweetheart, I want to run a mile from you. Not the Jedi, who - just to remind you - are a figment of various writers' imaginations, just like the clones. You. If I see that you really mean it, and you're making excuses in your own mind for the Jedi just following orders on that delicate point, then you scare the living crap out of me. For real.

Because it's clear to me that you believe deep down in real life that some human lives are worth less than others, and so it's okay to end them. Whether you realise that or not. Because if you don't believe it at that fundamental level, then why do you get so damned angry with me when I rock the boat of your fictional beliefs? It's just a kids' fantasy story. You could shrug and move on. But the fact that you rage about it means it's hit a real nerve in you, in the core of your real beliefs.

So, either you're nuts, and you genuinely believe that an evil wizard who shoots lightning out of his fingers is threatening your well-being, or you might just have some ugly supremacist attitudes to your fellow man that you can't acknowledge even to yourself.

Am I making you feel uncomfortable? I hope so.

I'm sure you think you're a nice decent person who's kind to animals, recycles faithfully, and fills in tax returns honestly. Maybe you believe in God, too. But to me, you're someone who harbours a vile and degrading belief in the concept of Untermensch - the idea that some humans aren't human at all, and we can do as we like with them, for whatever arbitrary value we put on the words "real human." You're looking for ways to sift your kind of human from the humans who don't matter, and who can be consigned to the fate of animals. In fact, if you use the phrase "real humans" at all, my case is proven.

That belief in a league table of humans - and the casual acceptance of it by nice people who were kind to animals and filled in their tax forms on time - led to the enslavement and murder of millions.

It's slave-owner-think: it's Nazi-think. And yes, I bloody well hate it, and all those who think it.

It's not about Jedi - who don't even exist. It's about you.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

SynthOrange posted:

She could have summarized with 'the prequels are bad and dumb the end'

She actually likes the prequels (because the "good guys win" when the clones kill the Jedi) and dislikes the original trilogy (she wrote a book about how common soldiers like Vader and how he's the real hero to them because he cares for his soldiers).

muscles like this? posted:

The issue is that I don't think anyone was really treating the clones like that (other than her strawman Jedi.) It certainly wasn't any Lucasfilm mandate considering they had books, videogames and a TV show where they spent a lot of time featuring Clone Troopers.

And the other thing is that even from the very start of the Clone Wars stuff, before she showed up, there were comics and a book where the Jedi were explicitly the ones raising these issues and the ones encouraging the clones to take names and become individuals and not be treated like cannon fodder.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Lurdiak posted:

People who are made in a robot factory on commission from Dracula and have no free will are totally heroic and noble, and people who dedicate their lives to understanding the nature of the universe and using this understanding to do good are Hitler.

That's another thing I liked about Traviss, she insisted that the clones never had any sort of brain chip or conditioning controlling them, they were all fully free. And as a result they carried out Order 66 because they were just such good soldiers they followed orders from their commander-in-chief.

In other words, for someone who rants about how the Jedi are Nazis, she uses the Nuremberg Defense to justify her clone troopers' actions.

CharlestheHammer posted:

Star Wars is at its worst when it's a black and white story but Lucas loved the idea (he reportedly hated KOTOR2 because of that.)so I don't think it was intentional. Lucas also has no idea how to stage a coup, but I digress.

I honestly doubt Lucas has any knowledge of KOTOR 2 at all.

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