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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Gavok posted:

Sagat's gonna kick the poo poo out of Nemesis Enforcer.

Any man who strong enough to beat the crap out of Sagat is a man I want found.

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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I've read that there's one where Freddy dresses up as a pimp and kills a guy by tricking him into wearing bling that strangles him; which one is that from?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I used to have bunch of Action Man annuals. Is it the post-1993 Action Man where he fights all these cartoon supervillains like Dr X and Professor Gangrene, or is it the pre-1993 version where he's basically British GI Joe?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Ah, good old Action Man. I actually quite enjoyed the concept of the CGI animated series, where he's an extreme sports star called Alex Mann whose stage name is "Action Man", who gains this ability to instantaneously analyse any situation and devise a solution.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Xenomrph posted:

Her books also never hesitated to badmouth the Jedi (again, derailing the plot to do so) and often depicting known Jedi characters as uncharacteristically incompetent or dickish in order to use them as strawmen for the Mandalorian characters to knock down.

I remember she also had a blog post accusing people who like the Jedi of "Nazi-think"(I believe she also compared her critics to the Taliban) and bragging about how she stood up and applauded in the cinema during the Order 66 scene.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Jo Joestar posted:

There's also the ending to her last Republic Commando book, which features the only sympathetic Jedi in the book heroically sacrificing her life to save an innocent clone trooper from a young Padawan, who was viciously trying to defend himself against Order 66.

Oh, yeah, I remember one of those books revisited a Jedi apprentice character called Scout from an earlier (and much more well-regarded) novel, where her story had been that she had very weak Force sensitivity but her determination impressed Yoda so much that he told her she was an ideal Jedi, except in the Traviss novel it was revealed that the Jedi had hated her all along because of how weak she was, and only the noble Mandalorians would respect her.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

muscles like this? posted:

The issue is that I don't think anyone was really treating the clones like that (other than her strawman Jedi.) It certainly wasn't any Lucasfilm mandate considering they had books, videogames and a TV show where they spent a lot of time featuring Clone Troopers.

As I recall, the Clone Wars cartoon (the one Traviss eventually quit over) even had an episode where a rogue clone trooper is carrying out acts of sabotage because he feels like he and his brothers are being treated as cannon fodder by the Republic.

Off the top of my head, there was one of the last Clone Wars era comics John Ostrander wrote, where two Jedi debate what will become of the clones after the war is over: one of them is instinctively suspicious of them because they're bred to fight and kill, and that will always be part of them, while the other believes the Jedi can help the clones to integrate into civilian life.

As regards the portrayal of the Jedi, I think Tim Zahn did something with that in Outbound Flight, where the antagonist is a Jedi Master who thinks that having the Force makes the Jedi better than everyone else, but doesn't have an answer when the crew of his ship stand up to him and ask him to explain why.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Chairman Capone posted:

And the other thing is that even from the very start of the Clone Wars stuff, before she showed up, there were comics and a book where the Jedi were explicitly the ones raising these issues and the ones encouraging the clones to take names and become individuals and not be treated like cannon fodder.

Sounds like you've got a bad case of the Nazi-think there, mate!

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
The reasoning was that Vader always led his men from the front, even though Vader's first appearance in ANH is him stepping into Leia's spaceship after his men have gone in ahead of him and cleared it out.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

WickedHate posted:

You're not wrong, but that's the narrative the prequels and surrounding EU went for. Sketchy pre-Empire Jedi and their army of child soldiers became a thing because of Lucas, and by Traviss' time, there wasn't gonna be any avoiding it. She just went in the dumbest possible direction with it.

I guess if you wanna justify it, the Empire may be worse than the corrupt Republic and sketchy Jedi Order, but things get worse before they get better.

I imagine the whole theme of the Jedi being ivory tower sorts whose conservatism means they can't see the fact that their arch-enemy is standing right in front of them, and the Republic being corrupt and sterile, was absolutely intentional on Lucas's part. I mean, it must have been, because the alternative is that Lucas was a little incompetent about getting his ideas across and he sort of lucked into it.

That's the main problem for me - I honestly find it hard to tell whether the prequel movies are earnestly trying to portray the Republic as a good thing that's worth preserving, or if they're only being unintentionally critical of it. I know there's the whole Death of the Author idea so it shouldn't really matter, but for me it's a matter of how well an idea is communicated, sometimes even more so than what the idea actually is.

This is the guy who's supposed to have seriously suggested "Darth Icky" and "Darth Insanius" as good names for Sith characters, after all.

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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Is that like the "British GI Joe" Action Man who had bad guys like Dr X and Professor Gangrene?

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