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Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Sagebrush posted:

when did "cooking" start being referred to as "food hacking" exactly

when nerds discovered foods other than pizza

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Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
i was sad for several minutes thinking that a hackerspace had no darkroom, and how terrible that was

then i remembered that it's 2014 and developing film is a totally pointless thing to do. i suddenly feel really old. (so much for my backup career in a photo shop)

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

VLADIMIR GLUTEN posted:

even if its not THE TECHNICALLY SUPERIOR MEDIUM you can learn a lot about composition, chemistry, physics and patience from shooting and developing film

you can learn a lot about woodworking by making your own wagon wheels, but nobody is gonna choose that for a project

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Mido posted:

nah film owns

if you shoot bigger than 35mm (like medium or large format) you enter baller status and it's a realm that digital doesn't really try to compete in unless you are dropping insane dollars

back when film was still a thing people used in every-day work, medium format was an outrageously expensive oddity

it's still an outrageously expensive oddity, but now it's also one of the last remaining excuses to play with film and develop stuff and make prints in an old-fashioned physical enlarger. film fetishists have adopted the format and made it much more important today than it was 15 years ago

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
in fact the only time i remember seeing non-professional photographers work with medium format was when soviet 120mm cameras got really cheap on ebay

ebay was a really new and wild thing at the time

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

qirex posted:

I've never understood how disc film was designed for economy but they had to cut big circles of material to make it

my family had a disc camera, it might have been that one

i assume they cut pieces out of a strip of film and glued them to the disc

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
i had a joke here but it was too tasteless even for yospos

but yeah noisebridge is a place where when you ask people why the gently caress they're shooting up, they might shove you on a table and unzip your pants

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

weev is a long time irc troll. he became famous for two things

1. going to jail for making at&t look stupid

2. being an "ironic" white supremacist for years before coming out as a real one w/ swastika tattoos and poo poo

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

fritz posted:

i wonder how much effort this costs places like lv, like can you make a script to (a) automatically upload infringing designs somewhere and (b) report them to lv

there's a de facto standard protocol for automated dmca requests/responses by content owners

why not trademarks too

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
twenty three thousand dollars in electrical work?

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

maniacdevnull posted:

is the mission that bad of a neighborhood or is it just ANARCHY ABOVE ALL ELSE?

why can't it be both

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

i would watch a reality tv show about noisebrige

and if a producer walks into noisebridge and sees those pants they will think the same thing

the great thing is you don't have to ask anyone's permission to film there

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

someone dyed a pigeon blue and told noisebridge it was a pet

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

MORE CURLY FRIES posted:

it's cool that tech pricks continue to think things that have been tried in the past can work this time because computers

hippy communes from the 60s/70s died out because their flat nature wasn't really flat and they all pushed people out before turning on what was left

hippies and computers have been bound together since the beginning

the most notable 70s projects from stephen levy's "hackers"
  • community memory
    hey let's put a mainframe terminal on the street with, like, no passwords, maaaan. it was inverse yospos. somehow we add computers to the community and everything gets better for some reason

  • whole earth catalog
    a sorta catalog sales magazine hybrid of hippie diy poo poo. learn to grow your own pot and build your own current loop serial terminal from the very same magazine

  • some project whose name i forgot
    a bunch of dudes tried to teach everyone BASIC for ... reasons

Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Feb 22, 2015

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Jabor posted:

The more things change, the more they stay the same I guess.

ding ding ding

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Nintendo Kid posted:

because it was lowest common denominator language for anything people would be using for the next decade or so.

this is what people told each other over and over, but it never happened

hp spent countless millions designing, building, and marketing BASIC computers commercially, the hp2000 series. they had virtually no buyers outside of academia, plus a few very wealthy k-12 systems. schools bought the damned things in order to teach students BASIC. which had no applications outside teaching students.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Buttcoin purse posted:

Yeah, IBM PCs had it in ROM, came with it in DOS, computer magazines had BASIC programs you could type in to make your PC do useful things, then much later we had Visual Basic, BASIC in MS Word, Excel, Access, Outlook, VBScript in Active Server Pages..

It might be a lovely language but I'm sure a lot of people's careers revolved (or still do?) around knowing BASIC, and I'm sure lots of people who write business applications are blissfully unaware of the concept of dereferencing a null pointer.

visual basic was revolutionary specifically because basic was useless garbage for children and also almost completely dead by the 90s

"hey look you can almost prototype something useful with BASIC!!!!!" -- the vb sales pitch

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Nintendo Kid posted:

i'm pretty sure it being the built in language to the major early pcs literally did happen. and that normal people certainly weren't buying other languages.

home computers had BASIC so your children could learn to be computer wizards in their spare time. dumbass poo poo sold to dumbasses.

BASIC was never useful for anything except pedagogy. you were not going to get a job doing work with BASIC. there were no BASIC applications. the only commercial BASIC implementations were failures.

hp, specifically, lost millions upon millions of dollars learning hard truths about BASIC viability


edit: here is the only good thing to come out of HP's dabbling with BASIC. a terminal out of the fuckin jetsons

this woman is doing very important BASIC work. in other words, marking student assignments.

Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Feb 22, 2015

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

infernal machines posted:

i can't wait to see how two people talking about completely different market segments manage to get into an tedious and unwinnable argument over something that doesn't matter

someone should just do-o-cratically declare themselves winner

oh no i've been taken

home pcs have entered an irrelevant conversation. you are likely to be fishmeched

Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Feb 22, 2015

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
BASIC was the ~*~ internet superhighway ~*~ of the 1970s and 1980s. any day now, everyone will be programming! everywhere! even kids! your stupid children will be left behind unless you buy a tandy from me right now!!!!!

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

infernal machines posted:

is there an especially high prevalence of mental health issues there or is it just idiots who think ~anarchism~ and that makes it okay to take their pants off?

it's both

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
this guy was banned from noisebridge for sleeping there and stealing people's poo poo. for instance, he decided to use ethernet cabling as a belt. that is a constructive use of space resources

it's been said several times, but the entire 86 page is a gold mine edit: several people have been banned for sleeping on top of the elevator. why is that such envied space?

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Mido posted:

lol yosposter struggles with the idea that maybe people who benefit from something might also be against it

the woman printing the signs in the mission is a college student attending a university on the other side of the city. and she's printing signs that say "die techie scum, the locals hate you"

i don't think this is a great example of a principled stand by a grass roots activist

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Nintendo Kid posted:

since when is being a college student a thing that makes you not principled.

ever since it meant you were between the ages of 18 and 21

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

uncurable mlady posted:

sometimes people can do the right thing for the wrong reasons

sometimes i think "die techie scum" too

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Main Paineframe posted:

who cares, for all we know she's just trolling nb - and succeeding in grand fashion

pretty sure their regular weekly meetings are on tuesday. if only those were recorded

hearing them bitch about her using their own rules against them is hilarious

b,b,bbbbut anarchy is really meant only for people exactly like me! (and also homeless thieves and neo-nazi tattoo artists)

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

bobbilljim posted:

3 year degrees are for pussies

you made a fencepost error: 18, 19, 20, 21

it's ok. you're in good company. the two hardest problems in computer science are naming things, cache invalidation, and off-by-one errors.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Apocadall posted:

lol at luddites and amish afraid of technology and unwilling to learn about it, lol at an education system that would send them tens of thousands of dollars into debt to learn about them, lol just lol at a government that wont adapt until it's too late

this poo poo is off the hook funny

source your quotes

the hn thread is over there

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
yeah he just has a mental illness that makes him rape children, nbd

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
it's not child rape, it's consent-hacking

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
i am unironically in favor of requiring people to brush their teeth, wipe their asses, and wash with soap before coming to a hackerspace event

i cannot comprehend the mind that makes a joke of this

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Beast of Bourbon posted:

noisebridge reminds of that 'anything goes' episode of always sunny in philadelphia

the major difference between noisebridge and it's always sunny is beer

at noisebridge, homeless drank all the beer

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

indigi posted:

to be fair you can replace "feminist" with any type of activist or advocate and I'm still not going to that. it seems horrifically awkward to eat pizza while someone says their opinions at you, even if you agree.

i go to pizza-based polemics all the time

you're just hella uptight

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Main Paineframe posted:

idk what these numbers are supposed to mean but none of them are zero yet

they spend $9,000 a month providing a tor exit node

i'm not sure why anyone thinks the core mission of a hackerspace is technological support for drug trafficking and child pornography.

that's got to be their single largest expense after rent

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Sweevo posted:

i thought they got paid $9k a month for hosting the tor node

oh, so they're accepting money from drug traffickers and child pornographers.

i'm not sure whether it's worse if they're paying or being paid. touching tor is just kinda icky

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
the fbi comes by so often they have to print instruction sheets for people who are just assembling heathkits

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Main Paineframe posted:

looks like they take donations for the tor node, which they run themselves and is super expensive because it carries a shitton of traffic, and those donations go into a separate fund. if they don't get enough, nb probably pays for it directly. i have no idea how those numbers I got from their meeting notes are supposed to add up. maybe they've been "budget-hacking"

i assumed they were paying $9,000 for the tor node, because that makes the numbers add up

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

wait jesus is trashbridge really blowing the money needed to have a 250mb symmetrical pipe coming in so they can host a loving tor node??

i belivee it is in a datacenter

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
there is a disturbing amount of self-awareness in this hackathon ad

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Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

eschaton posted:

not just typewriters, printers and screens with fixed-pitched fonts. there was a day when so-called "letter quality" printers were considered more professional than dot matrix. this was also around the time that supporting 80-column text was a big deal in a personal computer.

dot matrix looked like dogshit

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