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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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GreenBuckanneer posted:

I only use them sometimes if there's no good other options to draw cards and I keep drawing loving garbage

Villages make no difference to whether or not you're drawing garbage because your deck would be the same net size without the Village. They are themselves garbage unless you have enough terminals to require all the extra actions, and even that edge case generally means you've bought too many terminals.

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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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nrook posted:

You think that’s bad, I never even gave any of the latter Dominion sites a chance because I missed Isotropic too much

I never gave the later Dominion sites a chance because the first one stored user credit card details in a plain text file.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Selecta84 posted:

Yeah, the game is just better with the expansion and all the new parts integrate very nicely. More viable strategies and not really that many more rules.

It's not one of those cases where the game needs the expansion, though. It just isn't quite the same game.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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jarofpiss posted:

i love titties

What are your feelings on the killing and mutilation of women?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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If a game is improved by house ruling, that means the original game designer is worse at his job than a random player.

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Dec 10, 2011

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taser rates posted:

Or that the player has different goals from the designer, eg hidden trackable information.

I wouldn't call revealing hidden trackable information a house ruling in most cases. You can always tell everyone else things that normally only you would know even if you are hiding the information. The "House rule" just a gentleman's agreement that you will all do it.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Mayveena posted:

The Command and Colors series. Start with Ancients and ignore the magic based one.

The problem with C&C is you can't play it with three. It's strictly two players (or two teams of three with the Epic kit).

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Fate Accomplice posted:

Modern Art
The Estates
Keyflower

are I think the gold standards of auction games.

Seconding Keyflower.

Also if you can find a copy cheap - and I've seen CGE selling it for €10 - League of Six by Vladimir Suchy is a pro pickup. The meat of the game is Musical Chairs conducted in a series of bid-offs for the right to collect goods from one of six cities, with the twist that all payouts are immediate. So you can bid to lose in one city and use your pay-off to win in the city you really wanted. I got the base game for £5 in a clearance sale and it's the best VFM I've ever had from a game. There's also a cheap expansion (I got it for €6) that is well worth acquiring.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Mayveena posted:

For some reason they need money according to Bloomberg. So if they need major amounts of money then they can go public, which they apparently don't want to do or I guess they are doing this. No, they can't raise their rates, gamefound has already left them and if they raise their rates, more will go to gamefound or create something else that doesn't need money. The cynic says they need more money to make the executive management billionaires but who knows.

Yeah, it definitely sounds to me like their admin costs are now eating into their profits. Probably not exceeding them, but not making them rich as fast as they'd like either.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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I may be about to acquire one of the last four copies of Nessie Hunt. I must be mad.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Leperflesh posted:

There are people who are introduced to this game by a gamer friend who bought the thing, and if their only point of contact is the actual box and game materials, I can understand why they might be shocked by the level of disgust and animosity that posting about it here engenders. However I can't think of a way to shelter people from that shock, that doesn't also involve asking people not to be angry about the poo poo in Kingdom Death, and well, I'm loving angry about it too, you know?

The only answer to that is to ostracise people who support KDM. I see them as the sexual imagery equivalent of that guy in the famous post about redefining the rules of chess - you support them and they'll lick their lips and say "care for a game?" To which all you can say is no. You either play a proper game, or you don't play with us.

And I'd forgotten just how bad the first Kickstarter campaign was. The gameplay expansions are a contents list and a small sketch that in all but one case is black and white. The minis that would make Goreans blush but which KDM fans always insist have no connection to actual gameplay and you don't have to buy them? 3D test images of the minis accompanied by full colour art. And as I recall there was no rulebook or gameplay video available when it launched, maybe not ever. It doesn't matter what is and is not in the core box. It's obvious that the game was only ever a way to sell titty minis and worse, and was quite probably only created in the run-up to - or after - the campaign. Now as I understand it that was de-emphasised in the second campaign, but even so; it's still the same people and I've had enough of a glimpse into their heads that I don't want to support them or anything they do.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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FirstAidKite posted:

Have a link to it? I can't find it.

This isn't the original, it's someone quoting it, but the original seems to have been lost to the mists of time - I can't even find it with Archives.

90s Cringe Rock posted:

A better analogy would be if someone walks into a championship tournament, says "GEE I THINK I MAY HAVE TRANSCENDED THE UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF YOU GRANDMASTERS HERE, WANT TO JOIN MY NEW SCHOOL OF CHESS STRATEGY?", then loses by scholar's mate twice in the first round.

This person then refuses to leave his seat, claiming that he needs additional proof that the queen in f7 actually ontologically exists before he will admit defeat, and that the rules of the CHESS ESTABLISHMENT were unfairly biased against him by disallowing the possibility of his king being able to leapfrog pieces.

Then he pulls out an ancient shopping list from 1905 and claims that "1. Eggs" means 'The King', "2. Butter" means 'can', and "3. Milk" means 'leapfrog'. This is admissible evidence for his case because he has lived according to the dictates of this list since he was a teenager, and it has drastically improved his quality of life. When the referees tell him that this makes no loving sense, he drags them into a three hour debate over the precise meaning of the words 'makes', 'no', 'loving', and 'sense'.

When people point out that there is more than enough evidence to suggest his list is just a scrap of paper from some long-dead housewife's purse, he rather proudly points out how close-minded they are in dismissing outright the possibility that the list was in fact a secret coded message on the best way to live life, originally formulated by Atlanteans and passed down through the ages disguised as everyday documents. After all, if one starts with the presupposition that such a document exists, then it would be very fair to argue that it is indeed in the form of his shopping list.

Never mind that his previous interpretations of the list led to three convictions and time served for robbery, hate crimes, and murder. These were just unfortunate misinterpretations on his part of the list's true intentions, he says. The list itself is blameless. In fact, the Atlanteans deliberately obfuscated the true meaning of the list in this way, so that it would require multiple failed misinterpretations before one would happen across its TRUE meaning, and in doing so appreciate it all the more.

In fact, he does have some evidence to back up his claims. Why, just last week during his daily meditation on the list, he felt it telling him that something good was about to happen in his future. And yesterday, wouldn't you know it, he found a twenty dollar note on the sidewalk! Evidence of the list's prophetic powers if I ever saw one. And believe him, he has many more stories where that came from.

By now, the debate has splintered off into innumerable tangents, with the one man against literally every other player and referee present at the tournament. Finally, he graciously accepts the possibility of defeat in some of the myriad topics now being covered. OK, maybe the tallest player doesn't always get to go first. Fine, I will concede that there isn't much evidence to support my third-invisible-knight hypothesis. But that's all irrelevant. What he wants to concentrate on, and what nobody has yet been able to disprove, he adds, is the ability of the king to leapfrog over other pieces.

The argument drags on for weeks. Finally, one afternoon, the beet-faced referee exhausts his last reserves of decency and throws his arms up in frustration and despair. "YOU loving [REDACTED] , HOW CAN YOU LAY CLAIM TO KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT CHESS STRATEGY WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN GRASP THE MOST BASIC RULES!?" He shouts, just as a new entrant walks through the door. "I'm sorry," replies the man calmly, "I simply cannot discuss the rules of chess with such an 'official' if you insist on using such strong and uncouth language. Please retract your insults or I will be forced to plug my ears whenever you say anything from now on."

Seeing only this last exchange, the new entrant pipes up. "He's right, you know. If he did something wrong, then you as the referee have every right to tell him he is so, but it should be done with a patient and thorough explanation of the details of his error. Hurling ridicule at him solves nothing and won't change anyone's mind."

The lazy eye of the [REDACTED] List-following, King-leapfrogging man twitches almost unnoticeably, as he cranes his head towards the source of this new voice. A welcoming smile cracks, inch by beaming inch, across his face. He licks his lips. He clears his throat.

"So glad to know decent people like you still value a polite discussion. Care for a game?"

edit: these things are always posted fairly early in the PYF forum quotes threads

E: Redacted the word we don't use here any more.

Jedit fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Dec 19, 2021

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Dec 10, 2011

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silvergoose posted:

(you missed an instance of it fyi)

Oops, sorry - fixed.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Infinitum posted:

What do German Warhammers call their armies then? :thunk:

"Mein Armee".

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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What exactly was Ion's involvement with Crusader Kings? I don't see any of the usual suspects credited, Fria Lagan handled all the publicity and the campaign, all there is is an Ion logo on the box.

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Dec 10, 2011

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PRADA SLUT posted:

OP needs a section for “games that are like role playing stories” since that’s a big genre of the past few years and more to come on kickstarter.

Eg, Gloomhaven, THAT LANTERN GAME, 7th continent, sleeping gods, (soon) ISS vanguard, vampire chapters, etc. Maybe some semi-randoms like Too Many Bones

I don't know that I'd want to lump Gloomhaven and TMB in with experience generators.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Mordekai posted:

Sorry for not getting it. What is wrong with Kingdom Death:Monsters?

Just saw the webpage and some miniatures. Are they chuds?

You might want to take a look at the last guy's rap sheet. KDM discussion is now Officially Prohibited in TG.

Will Tekopo 2nd Edition come with better quality components? I'm not buying it if it's just Zendo in a different box.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Tekopo posted:

Also ask me about my crippling addiction to fighting card games.

I don't have to, I heard you got sectioned after they found you in a car park jumping up and down on an Ascension Year Two box set.

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Dec 10, 2011

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PRADA SLUT posted:

I back for a discount on the game that I would probably buy anyway, and also for some smaller games that might not get released otherwise. You run the risk of the game sucking, but I haven't hit a bad game yet. Once you figure out what you like it’s easier to navigate the Kickstarter options. I buy everything from Mindclash, for instance.

Also, like 10% of my games make it on time, 50% are six months delayed, 40% are longer. I have game content that's four years past schedule right now, and that's not unheard of.

Only back games you're okay playing "whenever"

I'm in agreement with most of this, but only an idiot backs on Kickstarter for a discount. Once shipping on an individual game is accounted for you're often lucky to get it at what you'd pay at retail. And the games that offer actual discounts have a higher risk of not fulfilling. I've not been stung yet, but there's always a risk.

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