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PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

Slimy Hog posted:

Listing out some games designed by non-white/non-male folks is a good idea, but representation in game design isn't the ONLY issue here.

Also these issues aren't "auxiliary" to the people who experience them.

No, but they're auxiliary to the "OP in the games forum of recommendations of games for new people", being that the primary focus is "games for new people only that aren't on Kickstarter, are commonly-available, and cost less than $100", which is what I recall everyone talking about before.

It wouldn't be auxiliary if the thread is was in D&D and titled "Social commentary and representation in the board game industry", but that covers a different set of ideas.

That's how the terms primary/auxiliary (secondary, tertiary, whatever) work when discussing an essay or other written piece.

Mayveena posted:

Frankly any designer who we haven't seen a picture of could be Black.

I always think it's some old retired Czech professor and their cat.

PRADA SLUT fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Dec 27, 2021

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PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
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but even so

FirstAidKite posted:

What is it that bothers you so much about a new op having a section addressing current issues in the tabletop hobby regarding discrimination

Nothing, just that if the purpose of the OP is "recommendations for board games", that should be the easiest information for someone coming through to find, and the information that's most accessible, especially to someone skimming the OP and not wanting to wade through a wall of text.

It's not a content question, it's a layout, usability, and editing question. The primary information (whatever that is) the OP tries to convey should be the most visible and accessible.

Ex, "board game information and recs" in the first post, and the first reply to be everything related to social issues, representation, The Broken Token, etc. This clearly breaks the OP into the primary (recommendations) and auxiliary (social issues / etc) sections and visibly delineates each part to the reader, even at a glance.

Magnetic North posted:

I feel that it is a huge mistake to even respond to your bullshit, because it appears clear to me that you are just trolling. But just in case you're actually that loving insulated from how bad the trad games world is, here we go:

These are mostly BGG threads, mostly because those are the easiest for me to find again. Unlike SA, BGG erases posts that violate the rules so sometimes they are hard to follow or see the gross poo poo people saying dismissing these problems.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2451239/consimworld-crushing-support-black-lives-matter-ju A wargame site removing BLM support
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2581258/daniele-tascini-doesnt-see-color-and-s-bad A famous designer thinking its okay to call black friends the Italian version of the N-word?
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2612018/can-we-talk-about-women-box-cover Poor representation of women on a box cover got responded to by massive brigades by poopy diapers
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2694874/phil-eklund-prolific-board-game-designer-has-poste Transphobia
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2526491/another-bios-game-another-essay-defending-climate Anthropogenic climate change denialism
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2477850/disappointed-alma-mater-has-no-characters-color-al Whitewashing of so-called history, even after another designer informed them that people of color actually existed at universities in history
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2711990/speaking-against-broken-token Credible sexual assault allegations. (That reminds me of the slogan I forgot: Believe Women.)
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2721966/i-have-cancelled-my-pledge-after-learning-more-abo A kickstarter using white supremacist dogwhisltes (the OK sign). This one is hard to read because the two people peddling the poo poo (the designer and publisher) deleted their posts.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2636861/very-biased-game/page/2 A designer creates a racist board game. In a different thread he complained about this review, someone looked and saw he made racist comments in a different review, so he got banned.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2773119/what-wrong-asian-representation Asian represenation could be a lot better in FFG stuff (who are usually one of the better companies, to be fair)
https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/warhammer-40000-ninth-edition/news/warhammer-40k-gt-talavera-nazi-statement Nazis with swastikas were not thrown out at a Spanish tourney, causing a huge outrage

These are all in the last year or so, and there are others. Those are just the high points that came across my radar.

See, this is good information to have. It adds context to the messages and shows relation to board games specifically, especially if you're a "new player looking fore their first modern game" that has no context or understanding about anything the industry has been doing the past few years.

PRADA SLUT fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Dec 27, 2021

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

Jabor posted:

If you don't actually understand the thread's norms then you're not really the right person to be giving input on how they should be conveyed IMO.

Then I guess I was confused as to what who was the primary audience for the OP, and the OP's primary message, especially after reading the draft posted earlier.

I was under the impression from reading the thread that the primary audience was "a person new to board games who wants recommendations for modern games" and the primary message was "recommendations for new players that are sub-$100, non-KS, etc."

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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but even so

Morpheus posted:

The rulebook was also pretty dang terrible and poorly laid out.

I wish Kickstarter stretch goals would be "hire a professional copy editor / rules reviewer / layout designer" instead of "this thing was cardboard, now it's wood"

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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heartless,
but even so
If anyone's actually interested in Black board gaming, ABCon was a few weeks ago:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cowriegames/ab-con-the-african-boardgame-convention/description
https://theabcon.com

60-some games released from 7 publishers this year.

Sorry to goons that hate kickstarter, guess you missed the backing :smug:

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PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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but even so

Ohthehugemanatee posted:

Let's be honest, Smash Bros: World Religions would be absolutely amazing to play.

Invisible Mohammad would be too OP

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