Farking Bastage posted:Obama's legacy: Cuban marijuana cigars you haven't lived until you've rolled a blunt with a nice partagas leaf
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Dec 17, 2014 18:25
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wheez the roux posted:you haven't lived until you've rolled a blunt with a nice partagas leaf I can only imagine.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:27
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Can we get more of the 'has stopped giving a drat' Obama please?
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Dec 17, 2014 18:27
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Ilustforponydeath posted:But now who will keep the lovely domestic cigar industry afloat? Nicaragua and Honduras?
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Dec 17, 2014 18:28
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Heh, welcome to the 21st century.  
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Dec 17, 2014 18:28
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I remember Mujica mentioned the embargo when he was in talks for receiving the Guantanamo detainees. I like to believe he helped 
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Dec 17, 2014 18:32
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This is great. Obama trolling the GOP is the best Obama. Rubio won't be alone. Ted Cruz will undoubtedly be against this because his daddies claim to fame is being a refugee from Cuba and anti-Castro shitheel. I so want to lay on a beach in Cuba.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:38
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Holy poo poo, progress on Cuba in my lifetime. I mean, I'm only 20 years old, but I really didn't expect this to happen for another 50 years at least.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:41
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radical meme posted:This is great. Obama trolling the GOP is the best Obama. Rubio won't be alone. Ted Cruz will undoubtedly be against this because his daddies claim to fame is being a refugee from Cuba and anti-Castro shitheel. I so want to lay on a beach in Cuba.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:43
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The only thing Americans should lay on a Cuban beach is suppressive fire. we tried that it didn't work out that well
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Dec 17, 2014 18:47
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evilweasel posted:Obama just announced the guy who Cuba released was instrumental in catching Cuba's spy ring in the US and was the most important asset the US has had in Cuba ever and was pretty firm that was who the 3 Cubans were traded for, not Gross. I almost wonder if he's a fictional non-Gross so everyone can save face. How firm is it that Gross wasn't actually a spy?
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Dec 17, 2014 18:50
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I almost wonder if he's a fictional non-Gross so everyone can save face. How firm is it that Gross wasn't actually a spy? Whatever group he was with had something to do with USAID, and they've got a few marks on their record, I recall.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:55
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I'm jonesing for more tone-deaf Republican complaints about this. Rubio's is the type of hilariously retarded comments that make life worth living: "Sure, the embargo hasn't worked for the last six decades and hasn't done anything to remove Castro from power, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE IT A CHANCE, MAAAAAN!"
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Dec 17, 2014 18:56
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Oh my godquote:Rubio on the Pope: "I would also ask His Holiness to take up the cause of freedom and democracy."
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Dec 17, 2014 18:57
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'Look, it hasn't worked yet and everyone else on Earth trades with them, but it's a new year!'
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Dec 17, 2014 18:58
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Pinterest Mom posted:Oh my god If you're trying to get Cuban-Americans fired up behind the embargo again, isn't criticizing the loving Pope a bad way to start off?
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Dec 17, 2014 19:02
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The Pope is awesome. Never thought I'd say that about a guy in that position, but drat if the guy isn't doing some awesome things.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:03
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Obama finishes off the Republicans by getting photobombed smoking a blunt with Castro et al.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:04
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Patter Song posted:If you're trying to get Cuban-Americans fired up behind the embargo again, isn't criticizing the loving Pope a bad way to start off? On his birthday, no less.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:04
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Patter Song posted:If you're trying to get Cuban-Americans fired up behind the embargo again, isn't criticizing the loving Pope a bad way to start off? He crossed that bridge with the last pope already. http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/marco-rubio-pope-7529457 quote:Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio said Wednesday that he is "deeply concerned" that the leadership of the Catholic Church has "negotiated themselves a space of operation" in Cuba "in exchange for looking the other way," and expressed concern that Pope Benedict XVI's upcoming trip to the island may "reinforce that arrangement." Rubio, a Catholic, said during a discussion at The Heritage Foundation that the Catholic Church has "negotiated a political space for themselves in exchange for their moral imperative." Dude just hates popes.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:07
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Uggh, my family and Rubio's family are pretty familiar with each other ever since the revolution and watching him flail around trying to appease old angry Cubans is so goddamn frustrating. I hope that deep down he's just being a politician and doesn't actually believe this immensely dumb poo poo he's saying. e: Ugggghhh talking to my family about this is going to give me a hernia. "Why would we try and give more power to dictators! So what if the people of the island suffer! They are communists!" Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Rexicon1 fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Dec 17, 2014 19:16
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Rexicon1 posted:Uggh, my family and Rubio's family are pretty familiar with each other ever since the revolution and watching him flail around trying to appease old angry Cubans is so goddamn frustrating. I hope that deep down he's just being a politician and doesn't actually believe this immensely dumb poo poo he's saying. A dwindling number of old angry Cubans - most of that generation seem pretty chill with it at this point.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:18
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The Warszawa posted:A dwindling number of old angry Cubans - most of that generation seem pretty chill with it at this point. Don't underestimate the ability of a generation to pass their lovely prejudices and baggage to the next.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:20
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The Warszawa posted:A dwindling number of old angry Cubans - most of that generation seem pretty chill with it at this point. How influential is the "cuban lobby" these days, anyways? Cubans at least seem to constitute a number of the Spanish-speaking members of congress.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:21
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CobiWann posted:The last time we "normalized" relations with a country, it was Vietnam during Clinton's administration. No it was like two years ago with Myanmar
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Dec 17, 2014 19:22
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Rexicon1 posted:Don't underestimate the ability of a generation to pass their lovely prejudices and baggage to the next. I dunno, that next generation also seems pretty chill with it. I do wonder if it's an aging thing where they're like "gently caress it, I just want to be able to see where I was born one last time". I mean sure, diverse beliefs in every camp but my read is that even with opponents, salience has dropped.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:23
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I keep seeing the sentiment here in D&D that the opposition to this deal is coming from aging Cubans and/or from older Cuban generations. Does that mean that the human rights violations and government control no longer exist? Also, how would the US hope to introduce reforms to Cuba under a government where their leader is president for life?
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Dec 17, 2014 19:26
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quote:Speaker John A. Boehner on Wednesday called President Obama’s new policy on Cuba the latest in “a long line of mindless concessions to a dictatorship that brutalizes its people and schemed with our enemies.” I think it's safe to say the embargo is staying, for now.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:30
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I keep seeing the sentiment here in D&D that the opposition to this deal is coming from aging Cubans and/or from older Cuban generations. Does that mean that the human rights violations and government control no longer exist? No, but the CIA Torture report and the Snowden NSA leaks did bring them to light.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:30
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I keep seeing the sentiment here in D&D that the opposition to this deal is coming from aging Cubans and/or from older Cuban generations. Does that mean that the human rights violations and government control no longer exist? Well, there were about 50 political prisoners but apparently Cuba released them all today. Certainly there is still censorship and it's an authoritarian state, but that's never stopped the US being buds with China or Vietnam or Saudi Arabia or etc
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Dec 17, 2014 19:30
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Also, how would the US hope to introduce reforms to Cuba under a government where their leader is president for life? He's quite old, for life isn't that long at this point.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:31
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evilweasel posted:I think it's safe to say the embargo is staying, for now. We'll see, I think its just talk and it'll go through anyways.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:32
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You can put that title on him all you want, but Fidel has repeatedly stated that he has not been running the Cuban government for quite some time.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:32
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Raul isn't president for life. He's stated he is retiring after his current term. e: Fidel is firmly retired, he is a very old man. 
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Dec 17, 2014 19:33
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Does that mean that the human rights violations and government control no longer exist? What it means is that people on D&D recognize that the US policy towards Cuba has done nothing to staunch the human rights violations or authoritarianism, and has probably helped make them possible. Any hope for democracy and human rights in Cuba is going to require a drastic change in our policy.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:33
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evilweasel posted:He's quite old, for life isn't that long at this point. Call me crazy, but I don't expect his successor to relinquish the powers of President-for-Life over to reforms suggested from the US.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:35
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evilweasel posted:
Can someone refresh my memory and tell me what act of terrorism Cuba has actually sponsored, ever? I know about the Cuban missile crisis but, anything else? Didn't they send troops to Angola but, that was 30 years ago.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:35
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Call me crazy, but I don't expect his successor to relinquish the powers of President-for-Life over to reforms suggested from the US. I'll call you crazy. Raul has said he is done after his current term, there's no reason to think he's lying.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:36
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I keep seeing the sentiment here in D&D that the opposition to this deal is coming from aging Cubans and/or from older Cuban generations. Does that mean that the human rights violations and government control no longer exist? lol How much cheap crap from China did you buy for Christmas?
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Dec 17, 2014 19:37
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CommieGIR posted:We'll see, I think its just talk and it'll go through anyways. Rubio is saying they're going to petulantly refuse to confirm an ambassador or approve funds for an embassy: quote:“You’re going to have a very interesting couple of years figuring out how you’re going to get an ambassador nominated and how you’re going to get an embassy funded,” Mr. Rubio said.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:37
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