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Neo Rasa posted:Yeah but if someone hacked Comcast and was like "cut everyone's rate in half or we'll blow up every Comcast building" and it worked whoever did the hack would be hailed as national heroes. Wouldn't they be.
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CPL593H posted:People probably have a more favorable opinion of North Korea than they do of Comcast.  But also, literally true.
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ClydeUmney posted:Except now Paramount is blocking Team America as well. Haha really?
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xcore posted:I was gonna chalk this up to some brilliant meta-marketing on Sony's behalf after reading that they hadn't actually cancelled it, just pushed it back to Christmas. Christmas was the original release date.
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effectual posted:Haha really? Yup.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Because: From what I remember of the book, I think it's more about the reinstatement of a dictator.
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Nickoten posted:From what I remember of the book, I think it's more about the reinstatement of a dictator. Technically a monarch, but thats just splitting hairs.
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MacheteZombie posted:Technically a monarch, but thats just splitting hairs. Not the beard!
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Yoshifan823 posted:Show up with your ticket, you might be able to parlay it into a free movie or something. I did, and I parlayed into a free movie. Which is apparently a voucher for any free movie until 5/31/16. So assuming they have something other than dumb Hobbit poo poo for two years, this is actually probably the best turn of events.
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MacheteZombie posted:Technically a monarch, but thats just splitting hairs. Technically, North Korea pretty much is a monarchy anyway.
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zVxTeflon posted:how many more lovely no name towns are going to use this as an excuse to buy 50 ton tanks for their 8 person police departments? This is barely relevant, but police departments aren't buying those. The Pentagon is giving them away.
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effectual posted:So what's an average no-release insurance amount? Good question. Crosspost from Sony leaks thread: Northjayhawk posted:Statement from Sony:
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MacheteZombie posted:Good question. They should just do a typical limited release/VOD thing. Non-corporate theaters will absolutely show it.
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MacheteZombie posted:Good question.
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Erebus posted:All it took was the President of the United States personally saying they should've released the movie. THANKS OBAMA.
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CPL593H posted:They should just do a typical limited release/VOD thing. Non-corporate theaters will absolutely show it. If Sony really wanted to do a wide release all they would have to say announce "We have decided to launch a wide cinematic release of The Interview if the major theater chains agree to show it". There would then be an enormous amount of public pressure on the theater chains to show the film that they would likely be forced to at this point. I think Sony just doesn't want the rest of the hacked data leaked and the "terrorist threats" are just an excuse to pull the film.
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hellocruelworld posted:I think Sony just doesn't want the rest of the hacked data leaked and the "terrorist threats" are just an excuse to pull the film. The problem with that is that there is no guarantee that the data won't be leaked a month from now "for the lulz". Whether it has been leaked to the public or not, the data that was stolen is out there, and can never be recovered.
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I don't understand why people, including the loving POTUS, are blaming Sony for caving into terr'ist demands. Blame Regal, AMC, and Cinemark who make up, what, half of the highest grossing theaters in the country? If the distributors that make up 90% of my income refuse to carry my product I'm not going to release to the remaining 10%. That's an even bigger waste of money. I hate the idea of defending a mega corporation but the theater chains are getting off scot-free when they were the only ones directly being threatened and pulled the plug.
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al-azad posted:I don't understand why people, including the loving POTUS, are blaming Sony for caving into terr'ist demands. Blame Regal, AMC, and Cinemark who make up, what, half of the highest grossing theaters in the country? Probably because Sony enabled the theater chains to pull it. They did this less than a day after the threat was made. The President said specifically that he was pissed that they didn't consult him first. And to be honest, if someone is making nationwide terrorist threats to my company, getting in touch with the White House is probably my first step (after lawyers probably).
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How does Sony "enable" a theater to do something they want to do? Is there some contractual obligation where after they decide to distribute they can't also pull it? I'm also upset that Paramount said "nope" to Team America. This is reminding me of when Comedy Central axed the gently caress out of the 201st episode of South Park including literally bleeping out Muhammed's name. When fans pointed out that Muhammed was in an episode from nearly a decade prior they pulled that one from circulation as well.
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al-azad posted:How does Sony "enable" a theater to do something they want to do? Is there some contractual obligation where after they decide to distribute they can't also pull it? Well I would assume that studios sign contracts with theaters, yes. And Sony telling the theaters that they could choose to not show the movie if they wanted would seem to back that up.
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Mahoning posted:Well I would assume that studios sign contracts with theaters, yes. And Sony telling the theaters that they could choose to not show the movie if they wanted would seem to back that up. Perhaps it would be a good idea to tell said theater chains to take a hike. If you live in a bigger city, there's probably an independent theater or smaller chain around that didn't cave in. For reference, those chains are AMC, Regal, Cinemark, Cineplex, Carmike, and Bow Tie. Thankfully there are a few theaters around here with not only better seating but delicious beer and cocktails, so no kids either.
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monster on a stick posted:Perhaps it would be a good idea to tell said theater chains to take a hike. If you live in a bigger city, there's probably an independent theater or smaller chain around that didn't cave in. I can only imagine the distribution costs wouldn't be worth releasing to so few theaters. Those 6 chains represent something like 1400+ theaters with something like 20,000 screens which is about half of what a big budget blockbuster like Avatar or Avengers would have premiered on and this is a comedy film. I don't know how films are insured but pulling it and trying to get something back is probably Sony's best move.
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al-azad posted:I can only imagine the distribution costs wouldn't be worth releasing to so few theaters. Those 6 chains represent something like 1400+ theaters with something like 20,000 screens which is about half of what a big budget blockbuster like Avatar or Avengers would have premiered on and this is a comedy film. I don't know how films are insured but pulling it and trying to get something back is probably Sony's best move. I'm not saying that Sony should release it to smaller theaters only - though I think that would send a strong message, especially since interest in the movie is obviously high right now, and those theaters would make $$$ and maybe get repeat business. It may be enough to get the chains to cave, especially if nothing actually happens. I suspect the threats are hollow, the last time a nation actually did a terrorist attack on the US, we used it as a casus belli to invade, and it would also be considered an attack on NATO. At some point China would almost certainly say "gently caress you, you are no longer worth the trouble" since there's no money to be made taking their side.
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al-azad posted:How does Sony "enable" a theater to do something they want to do? Is there some contractual obligation where after they decide to distribute they can't also pull it? Maybe neither here nor there, but years ago Disney was very firm in its contracts with theaters when it came to getting their movies or not. In short, the story a theater manager had once told me was that Disney in the 90s used to tell theater chains that if they wanted the big Disney animated or live-action blockbusters that year, they'd have to agree to show a certain number of other Disney/Miramax/Hollywood/etc. movies for specific lengths of time during the rest of the year. It's possible that the Sony issue was similar? In exchange for getting hyped films like Annie and ASM2, you have to agree to carry some of their non-AAA films to an agreed upon extent, perhaps.
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al-azad posted:How does Sony "enable" a theater to do something they want to do? Is there some contractual obligation where after they decide to distribute they can't also pull it? I believe that is how it works, yes. al-azad posted:I can only imagine the distribution costs wouldn't be worth releasing to so few theaters. Those 6 chains represent something like 1400+ theaters with something like 20,000 screens which is about half of what a big budget blockbuster like Avatar or Avengers would have premiered on and this is a comedy film. I don't know how films are insured but pulling it and trying to get something back is probably Sony's best move. The bargaining power is heavily in favor of the studios when it comes to distribution in theaters. That's why theaters get a laughably small cut of the profits for bigger movies for like the first month of release. If a chain balks at their demands then it's welp, enjoy getting none of our movies in the future while your competitors get all your business.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Maybe neither here nor there, but years ago Disney was very firm in its contracts with theaters when it came to getting their movies or not. raditts posted:The bargaining power is heavily in favor of the studios when it comes to distribution in theaters. That's why theaters get a laughably small cut of the profits for bigger movies for like the first month of release. If a chain balks at their demands then it's welp, enjoy getting none of our movies in the future while your competitors get all your business. Yuuuuuuup. Movie studios and distributors have a lot of the power when it comes to what shows in your local movie theater. In the theater I work at, for example, I was talking to my manager about our Christmas Day movie, and we didn't know what all we were getting until barely a week before, because the distributors/Weinsteins insisted that if we wanted more than one screen of The Imitation Game (which we think is going to do super well where we are, considering our audience), we would have also had to take a screen of Big Eyes (which we thought would not do well at all). Also, when it comes to the movie theaters making the decision to not show The Interview, I'm behind them 100%. It's a business decision all the way down. They aren't actually worried about a terrorist threat against them, because that's silly, but they could and probably were concerned about some sort of incident happening (sure, there might have maybe possibly been one in theaters across the country, but that's still a risk that your theater is gonna be the one where an asian kid gets beat up by a bunch of assholes, or some whack job uses this as an excuse to pull Aurora 2.0), but the absolute biggest concern, because this is a business in a capitalist economy, was simple loss of profits. Are a bunch of families going to be scared off/wary of going to see not just The Interview, but Into The Woods, Annie, Night at the Museum, Unbroken, or any number of other movies showing on the 25th, because they heard in the news the Koreans might attack, and maybe we should just stay home and watch a movie on TV? Hell yeah, and that affects the bottom line of the theaters and the non-Sony studios, who potentially put a little pressure on as well. It's not cowardice, it's simply good business.
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al-azad posted:I'm also upset that Paramount said "nope" to Team America. The guys at We Hate Movies brought up a solid point: When a theater wants to see a movie, they'll call the distributor, hash out a deal, then get the movie sent to them. What they think happen is that they spouted their mouth off before making the call to get TA, didn't/couldn't get it for whatever reason, and then had to scramble to announce a reason why they couldn't get the film.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Also, when it comes to the movie theaters making the decision to not show The Interview, I'm behind them 100%. It's a business decision all the way down. They aren't actually worried about a terrorist threat against them, because that's silly, but they could and probably were concerned about some sort of incident happening (sure, there might have maybe possibly been one in theaters across the country, but that's still a risk that your theater is gonna be the one where an asian kid gets beat up by a bunch of assholes, or some whack job uses this as an excuse to pull Aurora 2.0), but the absolute biggest concern, because this is a business in a capitalist economy, was simple loss of profits. Are a bunch of families going to be scared off/wary of going to see not just The Interview, but Into The Woods, Annie, Night at the Museum, Unbroken, or any number of other movies showing on the 25th, because they heard in the news the Koreans might attack, and maybe we should just stay home and watch a movie on TV? Hell yeah, and that affects the bottom line of the theaters and the non-Sony studios, who potentially put a little pressure on as well. It's not cowardice, it's simply good business. I didn't even think of it in terms of scaring people away from seeing other movies, just in terms of the liability if some wacko actually did spray down a theater. But that is an excellent point.
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precision posted:It's always been super weird to me that Americans think going to the movies on Christmas day is a good idea. And Chinese/Vietnamese restaurants!
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precision posted:It's always been super weird to me that Americans think going to the movies on Christmas day is a good idea. Once you get the Christmas poo poo out of the way, there isn't anything else to do.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:And Chinese/Vietnamese restaurants! And Blockbust... oh 
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CelticPredator posted:Once you get the Christmas poo poo out of the way, there isn't anything else to do. You can play with your action figures.
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