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01011001
Dec 26, 2012

if you play on normal its not too bad. the main things you have to watch out for are that it theoretically lets you go anywhere from the getgo but there are encounters in the overworld in areas that expect you to be stronger that will gently caress you up if you aren't strong enough and pockets of poo poo in otherwise safe areas that you shouldnt gently caress with

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01011001
Dec 26, 2012

Fandyien posted:

hm, interesting, i might grab it then. i remember playing it when i was like six or seven and kinda always wanted to revisit it

keep in mind this is the second remake of the game so its not quite the game you played when you were a kid

01011001
Dec 26, 2012

the compilation of all 5 geneforges is $4 right now, if youve never played them jump on that poo poo

http://store.steampowered.com/sub/12171/

01011001
Dec 26, 2012

Fandyien posted:

would you say those are better than Avernum? they sound a little weird but i've defintely gotten myself keyed up for some grognardy RPG stuff, i just finished college and itll be nice to have something to do inbetween job applications

spiderweb game roll call

avernum - the first three games in this series have been remade a few times now (originally they were called exile if that rings a bell). they're probably the most traditional/oldschool spiderweb series, they're relatively standard fantasy except instead of elves and dwarves and poo poo you have cat-people and lizard-people and it's in a giant cave. you make 4 personality-less characters in a class-free system (you get learning points that you can assign to poo poo as you level up typically) and they go and do things. the most recent remake (avernum: escape from the pit) is probably the best place to start because the first remake is pretty rough and the original game is incredibly dated, though still pretty fun. in my opinion 2/3 > 1 > 6 > 5 > 4, as 4-6 are way more linear and guided and not as good as the original few (though the mechanics did get much better and those got carried over to the remake of 1).

geneforge - the series is concluded but iirc the spiderweb guy has said that he'd remake them at some point. to be honest though they barely need remaking so much as a face lift, the gameplay hasnt changed too drastically barring a few missteps here and there. the setting of these is much more sci-fi-ish, the main conceit is that nearly all technology is the result of magical bio-engineering (shaping), it's fairly atypical. unlike the avernums you only make one character, you do pick a class at the beginning of the game but that mostly assigns starting stats and determines how much it costs to upgrade skills in your three major categories (weapons, magic, shaping), and you can only rarely recruit help. shaping here is kinda like summoning in that you can make other party members (who are a few set monsters, you have to find knowledge of how to make that particular one in the world before you can make it) but it reserves mana from your pool so long as the thing you made is alive. in the early games there were a bunch of factions you could decide between and do missions for and fully back/betray but 3 and 4 narrowed that a lot (5 brought it back). there's some focus on noncombat stuff, a lot of the time there's ways to do quests or resolve conflicts without fighting, but you can't reasonably play a pacifist. in my opinion 5/2 > 1 > 4 > 3. probably my favorite series and i will be snapping up remakes if and when they arrive

avadon - the most recent series. the spiderweb guy had said that bioware games were a pretty big influence on the setup and it shows. it's pretty fantasyish but more so in the vein of game of thrones or something where it's more about politics than traditional high fantasy stuff. the game has 4 (5 in avadon 2) classes, you make your character out of one of them and then you can bring along 2 party members (ones with personalities and all, not generics, there's always one of each class available) as you go out and do missions (the games are pretty linear). the combat is built around hotbar skills, each class has their own skill tree that you progress them down as they level up. im not as much a fan of these as the rest so i cant gush to the same degree but 2 is probably better than 1

nethergate - the original one of these is pretty old and rough, play resurrection. the setting is a semi-historical one that takes place during the roman occupation of britain, you can choose to play as either romans or celts. romans are better at fighting, celts have magic, and each of them gets different quests and a different storyline. its pretty cool, it runs on the avernum 3 engine which is kinda rough but it plays like an avernum game otherwise where you make 4 guys and send them off to dungeons and poo poo. i wish he'd remake this one but afaik it sold like poo poo so he probably won't

hope this helps

01011001
Dec 26, 2012

just didn't click with me, plotwise or mechanically

all of them have pretty sizeable demos so give em a spin, you might like it more than i did

01011001
Dec 26, 2012

nah the new avernum remake is pretty user-friendly and that one owns

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01011001
Dec 26, 2012

Fandyien posted:

ended up grabbing avadon and imma get the avernum remake with the rest of my steam card sales. my brother said he remembered geneforge from back in the day and he recalled that it was like excruciatingly difficult and never got throuhg the first little bit and i'm not super into that, but i might get them next time they go on sale if i like avadon.

anyway sorry you haters can't accept that i have a top tier avatar

its no difficult than the rest unless you try slamming your head against somewhere you shouldnt be, in which case any of them would be hard

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