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 Happy New Year! Welp. We survived 2014, a year in the shitter. A year in which the Tories made more cutbacks, IDS continued his purge against the common man, Scotland voted to remain in the union (at least for now), UKIP gained some MPs, the public discovered that there is quite a serious nonce-infestation at Westminster and Scotland Yard, and learnt that public enquiries shouldn't expect to go anywhere because no-one seems to do background checks on the investigating enquirers. And for the cherry on top; it's an election year. All outcomes suggest, that we are going to be truly, royally, hosed.  Happy New Year?  --- How to cope with this  Courtesy of Oberleutnant, apologies to Kelly. --- Thread Required Reading SA D&D's very own mod, Brown Moses, the 81st Most Powerful UK Media Person, on the front cover of the Independant on Sunday. Thread Required Viewing Charlie Brooker's 2014 Wipe  --- Previous 2014 Threads: December 2014 - Poorly Moderated by the 81st Most Powerful Person in the UK Media November 2014 October 2014 - Papers please. Theresa May Edition. September 2014 - The baby that saved Britain. August 2014 - Bojo's Brilliant Buran Bazaar July 2014 - Thread regular knows dogfucker from school. June 2014 - Emu was Rod Hull's patsy. May 2014 - Elections! (which won't fix anything) April 2014 - St. Piran > St. George. March 2014 - Bingo And Beer For All! February 2014 - Corrupt, Lying, Thieving Parasites that should Hang! January 2014 - The morning after the year before. UKMT Archive of Woe: Oct 2010 - Dec 2013 Related UK Threads: UK Political Cartoons Megathread Phone Hacking, Government Child Abuse Rings, And All Things British And Corrupt English Defence League: the (white) pride of the UK Independence Stay: A Holyrood Blockbuster (a Post-Ref ScotPol thread) Trainchat - The failure of privatisation in the British Railway --- UKMT New Year Resolutions
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We haven't survived 2014 yet.
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This is a good point. I'll edit the first section. briefly. [e]: I try  VVV Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Dec 31, 2014 |
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Dec 31, 2014 02:07
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You monster
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Dec 31, 2014 02:49
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I hope ebola gets loose and everyone down south bloodshits themselves to death. If we take a Scottish definition down south, well, I'll make that sacrifice and die from ebola if it'd save us from the tories.
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Dec 31, 2014 06:02
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Blair says Labour are too left wing... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30640264 Sure, I mean their pretty left when it comes to... I mean there's that thing about the... what about.... nope, I've got nothing.
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Dec 31, 2014 08:27
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I mean, I know it's obvious and common knowledge how poo poo Blair is, but... an actual former leader of the actual Labour Party (y'know, the party that's meant to be for the workers, that was formed from a tradition of trade unionism and left-wing politics) thinks that the party performs best in the centre. We're hosed and we always have been. Happy New Year!!
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Dec 31, 2014 09:03
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In fairness to Blair (and I hope that's the only time I ever say that), he's saying Labour are in danger of being too left-wing to win, which is a view I think most of this thread considers valid given the shift of the overton window to the right and the general stupidity of the population when it comes to looking out for their own interests.
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Dec 31, 2014 09:13
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Fairly sure they've already said everything even vaguely related to Iraq will be on the 70- or 100-year rule. Ha! Knew it. Gotta keep that dirty laundry shoved down the back of the machine lest its owners become slightly embarrassed should the number and variety of stains be made public before they're dead.
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KKKlean Energy posted:In fairness to Blair (and I hope that's the only time I ever say that), he's saying Labour are in danger of being too left-wing to win, which is a view I think most of this thread considers valid given the shift of the overton window to the right and the general stupidity of the population when it comes to looking out for their own interests. nationalise the railways is a vote winner nationalise the energy sector to reduce bills is a vote winner ("why are we buying our power from the loving French!?") nationalise lots of national treasures is a vote winner ("loving Cadbury's owned by some yanks?!") nationalise royal mail might be a vote winner, might need a few years for things to get shittier first protect the NHS is a vote winner. gently caress, for bonus points tack on some "sport are troops" post-war service care like physical and mental rehab. abolish tuition fees might work if the current crop of students aren't utterly turned off by :lies: was it removed? i never got to use it and now it's gone... build more council houses might be a vote winner if it's managed correctly and not allowed to get carried away by the Daily Mail "Now Red Ed wants 'YOUR house to be worthless'!" A bigger and better HMRC designed to chase offshore crooks would be a vote winner. Fund it all with a tax on the feckless greedy bastards. Abolish private schooling. Raze Eton to the ground and salt the earth so nothing will grow there. Eat the rich. The only risk Labour have is by being "too soft on imigration" which at this point is an unwinnable debate before the election. If they swung left on everything else they'd do great.
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winegums posted:The only risk Labour have is by being "too soft on imigration" which at this point is an unwinnable debate before the election. If they swung left on everything else they'd do great.  winegums posted:Raze Eton to the ground and salt the earth so nothing will grow there.
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Dec 31, 2014 11:05
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mrpwase posted:I mean, I know it's obvious and common knowledge how poo poo Blair is, but... an actual former leader of the actual Labour Party (y'know, the party that's meant to be for the workers, that was formed from a tradition of trade unionism and left-wing politics) thinks that the party performs best in the centre. Blair is not strictly speaking a former leader of the actual Labour Party. He was leader of New Labour, who are basically Tories in red instead of blue, but his real politics are green.
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Dec 31, 2014 11:31
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winegums posted:abolish tuition fees might work if the current crop of students aren't utterly turned off by :lies: was it removed? i never got to use it and now it's gone... I think this could actually be a vote loser among working class people, large numbers of whom seem to regard students as feckless wasters. They're not wrong, but still.
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Labour won't abolish tuition fees; instead, they'll offer a top-rate cut that looks progressive but is incredibly regressive instead. And the NUS will back them all the way.  I'm just glad that Labour won't capitulate to xenophobic immigration policies, th–  Oh.
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Tony Blair has said that he was misinterpreted when he said the tories would win, because he actually meant that labour would win, not the tories. labour
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Dec 31, 2014 11:52
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The second commitment would be decent if it was actually done right. Paying migrants low wages fucks everyone up, even migrants. They should be paid minimum wage at least. I doubt this is what labour are thinking though.
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Dec 31, 2014 11:56
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Ddraig posted:The second commitment would be decent if it was actually done right. Paying migrants low wages fucks everyone up, even migrants. They should be paid minimum wage at least. Definitely. #1 and #3 are abhorrent, though. Apparently, removing benefits from immigrants will make the system "fairer". Like, yeah, let's make them forrins starve.
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TinTower posted:I'm just glad that Labour won't capitulate to xenophobic immigration policies, th– 
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TinTower posted:Definitely. #1 and #3 are abhorrent, though. Why is #3 abhorrent? That's a very strong word to use. If a foreign citizen chooses to come to Britain and commits criminal offences while here, why shouldn't we be able to deport them easily? Every other country screens for criminals during a visa application check for example. I wouldn't object if a British citizen is ejected from the US after committing offences there. (I'm assuming a sensible threshold of seriousness to the crime is built in here, so you don't get deported for littering.) I agree with you on #1.
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Prince John posted:Why is #3 abhorrent? That's a very strong word to use. If a foreign citizen chooses to come to Britain and commits criminal offences while here, why shouldn't we be able to deport them easily? Every other country screens for criminals during a visa application check for example. I wouldn't object if a British citizen is ejected from the US after committing offences there. (I'm assuming a sensible threshold of seriousness to the crime is built in here, so you don't get deported for littering.) It's basically posturing over Abu Qatada (who, it should be pointed out, dropped his case against the UK after Jordan signed a treaty preventing the use of torture wrt his trial).
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TinTower posted:I'm just glad that Labour won't capitulate to xenophobic immigration policies, th– If any of that appeals to you, you'd love Australia, where all of the above is already implemented. Happy Hogmanay UKMT
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Dec 31, 2014 12:27
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Basically #3 is a bit of a copout as it allows situations where we can bypass that little thing called the ECHR and deport undesirables to jurisdictions where they would more than likely be tortured and executed. This is a bad thing. Even Abu Hamza deserves basic human rights. Ideally it would be used to deport criminals easily but it's basically too broad brush to be of any use.
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Guavanaut posted:They've got my vote! Sensible policies for a sensible Britain. [e]: Ah, thank you, that reminds me... VVV Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Dec 31, 2014 |
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Dec 31, 2014 12:46
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOY4Ka-GBus Happy New Year UKMT
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The Black Mirror Christmas Special was pretty good, so at least you have that to be thankful for.
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Following on from the UKMT 2015 predictions of the previous thread, here are the FT's: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/fb55f168-807f-11e4-872b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3LcKNXQxK
A lab-con grand coalition would certainly be... interesting. Worked out well enough during WWII I suppose, but the last peacetime experiment didn't exactly go well.
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Lab-Con coalition? I can't think of a more remote possibility.
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Disinterested posted:Lab-Con coalition? I can't think of a more remote possibility. SNP-UKIP? No wait, UKIP-Sinn Féin. No wait, anyone-Veritas
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Disinterested posted:Lab-Con coalition? I can't think of a more remote possibility. Lab-SNP.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:No wait, UKIP-Sinn Féin.
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Disinterested posted:Lab-Con coalition? I can't think of a more remote possibility. Depends whether Labour/Tories see UKIP/Greens as a big enough threat to their political hegemony. I could totally see it happening if there was another party alongside UKIP that was more noticeable than the Greens. As is its more likely we get another coalition with the lib dems, or the doomsday scenario of Tory/UKIP coalition. I for one am hoping for a comedy result of a Labour/UKIp coalition or tripartite Libdem/UKIP/Green minor party government. Haha who am I kidding its up to the queen in the end and she's gonna go with the tories again.
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Happy Hogmanay UKMT, may your day be filled with shortbread and whisky. I'm going to a Lithuanian-hosted flat party with a Russian as my date, so we're going to bring Olivier Salad, caviar, grenkii and vodka and hope no one says anything about her sneaking off at 9pm to watch Putin's speech and get mad about exchange rates. Oh and at midnight I turn 24, to which the city has kindly decided to display fireworks!
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Guavanaut posted:They would be excellent for decentralizing power to local areas. Just don't ask about their definition of pollution There are malthusian subsets to both parties as well. Ending overpopulation through strength through joy. You may report those who leave the lights on to your local gauliter's office.
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Eco-fascism is the best fascism after homo-fascism.
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I don't understand how one could think a Lab Con coalition could happen when the consensus in the event of a hung legislature minor parties tend to get the blame (the SNP would be an exception but that's another story). Both Labour and the Tories would have a strong argument to wavering third party voters that better to go with them than let the other guys in in the event of a second general election. The Tories are already fundraising for a second election in 2015. Plus without a major crisis the two main parties going into coalition would turbo charge anti politics sentiments.
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Disinterested posted:There are malthusian subsets to both parties as well.  ReV VAdAUL posted:I don't understand how one could think a Lab Con coalition could happen when the consensus in the event of a hung legislature minor parties tend to get the blame (the SNP would be an exception but that's another story). Both Labour and the Tories would have a strong argument to wavering third party voters that better to go with them than let the other guys in in the event of a second general election. The Tories are already fundraising for a second election in 2015. Labour won't want to fight a second general election. Their campaign money is a lot harder than the Tories. And if it ends up, say, Labour 290, Tories 285, SNP 30, Lib Dems 30, UKIP 5, there's a chance it'll be the only stable option on the table. tl;dr: without a majority, Labour are hosed. TinTower fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Dec 31, 2014 |
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Would Labour rather let the Tories in than make a deal with the SNP? Do they hate them that much?
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If Labour go into a coalition with the Tories they'll be even more hosed. Plus it won't be on the table because the Tories will seek to win with their money advantage in the second election.
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