JAN' TRANSFER THREAD '15 - Wham, bham, Mame Biram

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Dunban: Jul 4, 2012; OH MY GOD GLOVER

Ninpo posted:

Well...except the other 19 in the Bundesliga

Buying players from smaller/"worse" clubs? They kinda are.

(also, 17 other clubs)

Would you say United are destroying the Premier League? Because going by that reasoning, they are. And so is pretty much every other club.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:16

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Dunban posted:

Buying players from smaller/"worse" clubs? They kinda are.

(also, 17 other clubs)

Would you say United are destroying the Premier League? Because going by that reasoning, they are. And so is pretty much every other club.

Where in america are you from?

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:17

Dunban: Jul 4, 2012; OH MY GOD GLOVER

fat gay nonce posted:

Where in america are you from?

Thankfully I'm not from there.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:18

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Dunban posted:

Buying players from smaller/"worse" clubs? They kinda are.

(also, 17 other clubs)

Would you say United are destroying the Premier League? Because going by that reasoning, they are. And so is pretty much every other club.

United did destroy the Premier League and then Abramovich and some Arabs came along and saved it. Germany doesn't allow Russians or Arabs so they'll need a different solution.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:19

Mean Bean Machine: May 9, 2008; Only when I breathe.

Dunban posted:

Alright, I'll bite. Let's look at all of the players transferred from other Bundesliga clubs to Bayern in, say, the last 3 years.

Sinan Kurt: Bought from Gladbach's youth team for 1 million. Really too early to tell at the moment what his career is gonna look like, what would've happened had he stayed at Gladbach and how good he actually is. Promising, but still young and unexperienced.
Robert Lewandowski: Came on a free from Dortmund since his contract expired. He would've left Dortmund anyway, so instead of going to Real or Barca or whatever, he chose Bayern. Had some trouble adjusting initially, as is to be expected, but overall had a good first half year. Dortmund knew he was leaving for well over a year and still hosed up with regards to getting a replacement for him, buying Adrian Ramos and Ciro Immobile, who are both utterly poo poo. By the way, just as an aside, Dortmund spent more on transfers than Bayern in the last 2 years.
Sebastian Rode: Came on a free from Frankfurt, where his contract expired. The transfer was initially met with skepticism, but Rode played quite a bit and quite well especially in the last couple of weeks. Might even be on his way into the German National Team. Great transfer for both Bayern and Rode - the club got an excellent squad player and Rode basically reached the next level. I doubt he would've developed any further at mid-table club Frankfurt.

Mario G�tze: 37 million � from Dortmund. Sure, Dortmund were a direct competitor at the time, but like with Lewandowski, he would've left the club anyway since some other club would definitely have activated his buy-out clause if Bayern hadn't done it. Dortmund were fully aware that that clause existed when G�tze signed that contract. They spent the 37�m on Mhkitaryan and Aubameyang, who are both a bit poo poo.
Jan Kirchhoff: Free transfer from Mainz. That one didn't work out - he was fairly injury-prone and thus never really made it into the team, but even without the injuries, he simply wasn't good enough. Currently on loan at Schalke, but it's not really going well there either.

Mario Mandzukic: 13 million from Wolfsburg. Had a fantastic two years at the club, an absolute steal for that price. Wolfsburg aren't exactly hurting for money, so I guess they weren't too broken up about it. Supposedly was a bit of a dressing room cancer and didn't really get along with Pep, so he was sold to Atletico Madrid last summer.
Dante: 4,5 million from Gladbach. I believe this was a buy-out clause as well, so again, he probably would've been gone anyway. Nailed-on starter for two years, has fallen behind a bit this season.
Tom Starke: Free transfer from Hoffenheim. Solid back-up keeper. Hoffenheim weren't really hurting for a good keeper after he left since they had Belgian international Koen Casteels.
Claudio Pizarro: Free transfer from Bremen. They were already on the decline back then. Pizarro has been a solid back-up striker for Mandzukic and Lewandowski.

So, there you have it. If you honestly think Bayern single-handedly destroyed the Bundesliga with transfers like these, then..I don't know what to tell you. Bayern are doing nothing special - they buy players from other clubs, and those players join them because of higher prestige, higher wages, more exposure, higher chance of success, whatever. This is literally what every single other club in the world is doing.

(if you are interested in actually having a real discussion about this, post in the Bundesliga thread)

lol what a bunch of bullshit

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:24

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ah yes lewandowski's contract was expiring so he would have left anyway, never mind the fact that the reason he wouldn't sign a new contract was because bayern had been having talks with him for years.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:27

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Dunban posted:

Alright, I'll bite. Let's look at all of the players transferred from other Bundesliga clubs to Bayern in, say, the last 3 years.

Sinan Kurt: Bought from Gladbach's youth team for 1 million. Really too early to tell at the moment what his career is gonna look like, what would've happened had he stayed at Gladbach and how good he actually is. Promising, but still young and unexperienced.
Robert Lewandowski: Came on a free from Dortmund since his contract expired. He would've left Dortmund anyway, so instead of going to Real or Barca or whatever, he chose Bayern. Had some trouble adjusting initially, as is to be expected, but overall had a good first half year. Dortmund knew he was leaving for well over a year and still hosed up with regards to getting a replacement for him, buying Adrian Ramos and Ciro Immobile, who are both utterly poo poo. By the way, just as an aside, Dortmund spent more on transfers than Bayern in the last 2 years.
Sebastian Rode: Came on a free from Frankfurt, where his contract expired. The transfer was initially met with skepticism, but Rode played quite a bit and quite well especially in the last couple of weeks. Might even be on his way into the German National Team. Great transfer for both Bayern and Rode - the club got an excellent squad player and Rode basically reached the next level. I doubt he would've developed any further at mid-table club Frankfurt.

Mario G�tze: 37 million � from Dortmund. Sure, Dortmund were a direct competitor at the time, but like with Lewandowski, he would've left the club anyway since some other club would definitely have activated his buy-out clause if Bayern hadn't done it. Dortmund were fully aware that that clause existed when G�tze signed that contract. They spent the 37€m on Mhkitaryan and Aubameyang, who are both a bit poo poo.
Jan Kirchhoff: Free transfer from Mainz. That one didn't work out - he was fairly injury-prone and thus never really made it into the team, but even without the injuries, he simply wasn't good enough. Currently on loan at Schalke, but it's not really going well there either.

Mario Mandzukic: 13 million from Wolfsburg. Had a fantastic two years at the club, an absolute steal for that price. Wolfsburg aren't exactly hurting for money, so I guess they weren't too broken up about it. Supposedly was a bit of a dressing room cancer and didn't really get along with Pep, so he was sold to Atletico Madrid last summer.
Dante: 4,5 million from Gladbach. I believe this was a buy-out clause as well, so again, he probably would've been gone anyway. Nailed-on starter for two years, has fallen behind a bit this season.
Tom Starke: Free transfer from Hoffenheim. Solid back-up keeper. Hoffenheim weren't really hurting for a good keeper after he left since they had Belgian international Koen Casteels.
Claudio Pizarro: Free transfer from Bremen. They were already on the decline back then. Pizarro has been a solid back-up striker for Mandzukic and Lewandowski.

So, there you have it. If you honestly think Bayern single-handedly destroyed the Bundesliga with transfers like these, then..I don't know what to tell you. Bayern are doing nothing special - they buy players from other clubs, and those players join them because of higher prestige, higher wages, more exposure, higher chance of success, whatever. This is literally what every single other club in the world is doing.

(if you are interested in actually having a real discussion about this, post in the Bundesliga thread)

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:28

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Mean Bean Machine posted:

ah yes lewandowski's contract was expiring so he would have left anyway, never mind the fact that the reason he wouldn't sign a new contract was because bayern had been having talks with him for years.

not true, he only started talking to Bayern after BVB rejected new terms proposed by his agents, the whole Lewandowski fiasco is 100% on Borussia, as much as I hate that oval office, BVB literally drove him into Bayern's hands

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:30

Dunban: Jul 4, 2012; OH MY GOD GLOVER

Mean Bean Machine posted:

ah yes lewandowski's contract was expiring so he would have left anyway, never mind the fact that the reason he wouldn't sign a new contract was because bayern had been having talks with him for years.

They weren't the only club who was talking to him / his agent, but yeah, they apparently were the most successful / persistent because he eventually joined them. And of course he would've eventually left Dortmund - pretty much every top club in Europe wanted him. There is absolutely no way he would've extended his contract at Dortmund, even if Bayern had never talked to him.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:32

Ninpo: Aug 6, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Dunban posted:

Buying players from smaller/"worse" clubs? They kinda are.

(also, 17 other clubs)

Would you say United are destroying the Premier League? Because going by that reasoning, they are. And so is pretty much every other club.

Soz mate I forgot jokes were illegal

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:36

Dunban: Jul 4, 2012; OH MY GOD GLOVER

Ninpo posted:

Soz mate I forgot jokes were illegal

They should be tbh

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:39

Mean Bean Machine: May 9, 2008; Only when I breathe.

gotze would have always left you see because his buy out clause was freaking �40 million never mind the fact that only one club in germany would have been able to afford that fee which is the point and the reason why that league has gone to poo poo. and again another player that had been having talks with bayern for years

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:47

Byolante: Mar 23, 2008; by Cyrano4747

Dunban posted:

They should be tbh

Totally unsurprised a german wants to ban humour

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:48

blue footed boobie: Sep 14, 2012; UEFA SUPREMACY

Bayern and other big clubs should stop buying players and maybe start giving money to their competitors? Maybe their best players too?Idk im just throwing out ideas on how one club can hurt itself and help other teams, which seems to be the right thing to do.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:54

Lord of Garbagemen: Jan 28, 2014; Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

blue footed boobie posted:

Bayern and other big clubs should stop buying players and maybe start giving money to their competitors? Maybe their best players too?Idk im just throwing out ideas on how one club can hurt itself and help other teams, which seems to be the right thing to do.

The idea of sports is to be the most middle of the pack.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:56

sourdough: Apr 30, 2012

blue footed boobie posted:

Bayern and other big clubs should stop buying players and maybe start giving money to their competitors? Maybe their best players too?Idk im just throwing out ideas on how one club can hurt itself and help other teams, which seems to be the right thing to do.

I thought the Bundesliga was supposed to have a bunch of really well run clubs and be a competitive league, turns out it's worse than la liga because at least there they have two teams that are retardedly better than the rest. Bayern should transfer some parity to the rest of the league.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:57

Ninpo: Aug 6, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

blue footed boobie posted:

Bayern and other big clubs should stop buying players and maybe start giving money to their competitors? Maybe their best players too?Idk im just throwing out ideas on how one club can hurt itself and help other teams, which seems to be the right thing to do.

Seems to work for Arsenal, except for the giving money part.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 17:57

Gigi Galli: Sep 19, 2003; and then the car turned in to fire

drat, Bayern bettering their own squad and weakening their competition? Should be banned from Europe for this sick filth.

At least they use all the players they buy, this isn't like Chelsea buying anyone with two legs and loaning them out to dogfart FC in Estonia to rot for 6 years before dumping them for a quarter of what they paid for them.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 18:27

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I thought Chelsea now made those clubs loan them out again in some weird merry go round of oligarchical influence?

# ? Jan 2, 2015 18:40

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Big Matty Grimes is going to force Gylfi out of the side with his sweet Hoddle passes and pinpoint freekicks.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 18:47

TelekineticBear!: Feb 19, 2009

Looks like Leeds are going to bring in Krhin from Inter and Pavoletti from Sassuolo, in another stunning display of effectiveness of FFP.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 18:47

TelekineticBear!: Feb 19, 2009

The Bundesliga is also a loving dump of a league, most of the other teams would be lucky to compete in the championship. Schalke are probably as good as Stoke. Clown car league, a real shithole

# ? Jan 2, 2015 18:49

Gigi Galli: Sep 19, 2003; and then the car turned in to fire

TelekineticBear! posted:

Looks like Leeds are going to bring in Krhin from Inter and Pavoletti from Sassuolo, in another stunning display of effectiveness of FFP.

They're both poo poo

# ? Jan 2, 2015 18:53

TelekineticBear!: Feb 19, 2009

Gigi Galli posted:

They're both poo poo

they'll fit right in then

# ? Jan 2, 2015 18:56

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Dunban posted:

Thankfully I'm not from there.

I'm real glad you're not here too. Anyways goodbye Enzo, you held the midfield together, you will be missed.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:02

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Gigi Galli posted:

drat, Bayern bettering their own squad and weakening their competition? Should be banned from Europe for this sick filth.

At least they use all the players they buy, this isn't like Chelsea buying anyone with two legs and loaning them out to dogfart FC in Estonia to rot for 6 years before dumping them for a quarter of what they paid for them.

Who cares, if its legal its legal, qq more

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:11

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Gigi Galli posted:

drat, Bayern bettering their own squad and weakening their competition? Should be banned from Europe for this sick filth.

At least they use all the players they buy, this isn't like Chelsea buying anyone with two legs and loaning them out to dogfart FC in Estonia to rot for 6 years before dumping them for a quarter of what they paid for them.

Let Chelsea put a team in the championship and they stop loaning players to Vitesse.

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TelekineticBear! posted:

The Bundesliga is also a loving dump of a league, most of the other teams would be lucky to compete in the championship. Schalke are probably as good as Stoke. Clown car league, a real shithole

Picking Schalke for this comparison feels like cheating.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:18

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Hashtag Banterzone posted:

Let Chelsea put a team in the championship and they stop loaning players to Vitesse.

Maybe Chelsea should stop signing every kid who looks halfway decent in the hopes they become the next big thing since it still hasn't happened.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:21

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Jose posted:

Maybe Chelsea should stop signing every kid who looks halfway decent in the hopes they become the next big thing since it still hasn't happened.

the one time it did they sold him and then bought him back for a further �25mil

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:25

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The talk of Juve being in for Shaqiri has now morphed into Juve being in for Sneijder or Diamanti. Sounds about right.

And the Daily Express claim that Man United are offering �100m for Pogba :newlol:

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:26

Gigi Galli: Sep 19, 2003; and then the car turned in to fire

fat gay nonce posted:

Who cares, if its legal its legal, qq more

I'm so mad about Chelsea.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:44

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trem_two posted:

The talk of Juve being in for Shaqiri has now morphed into Juve being in for Sneijder or Diamanti. Sounds about right.

And the Daily Express claim that Man United are offering �100m for Pogba

lol at any team in Italy being able to throw the money at Diamanti that the Chinese team he's on can.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:45

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trem_two posted:

The talk of Juve being in for Shaqiri has now morphed into Juve being in for Sneijder or Diamanti. Sounds about right.

And the Daily Express claim that Man United are offering �100m for Pogba

MOAR midfielders MOAR for the MOAR BOAR

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:46

Literally Lewis Hamilton: Feb 22, 2005

Is Diamanti still nuts with crazy hair?

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:56

Meat Wagon: Jul 14, 2004

The local media are reporting that Stoke are close to signing Philipp Wollscheid on loan until the end of the season. I don't know anything about him apart from he's tall and german. How is he at cock or no cock?

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:56

Gigi Galli: Sep 19, 2003; and then the car turned in to fire

Bovril Delight posted:

Is Diamanti still nuts with crazy hair?

He's cut it

# ? Jan 2, 2015 19:57

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Jose posted:

Maybe Chelsea should stop signing every kid who looks halfway decent in the hopes they become the next big thing since it still hasn't happened.

No club is going to stop poaching kids, even if they are bad at developing talent, as long as UEFA excludes academy expenses from FFP.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 20:03

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Ninpo posted:

Big fish in a small pond at Sunderland before being ran out of town by a Goon stalker, rumour has it would have cost Villa too much money if he'd kept making appearances so rotted in the reserves along with Alan Hutton.

Bent had a 1 goal in 2 games strike rate till he joined Spurs and arry messed him around (still scoring 1 in 3), at Sunderland he improved on the 1 in 2 rate, and at Villa despite them being loving shite hes still scored 1 in 3

Suprised no better teams taken a punt on him. He doesnt give you much more than goal scoring tho.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 20:04

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Jose posted:

Maybe Chelsea should stop signing every kid who looks halfway decent in the hopes they become the next big thing since it still hasn't happened.

Seems like its working for them at the moment, maybe all the other poo poo clubs should to try to emulate them?

# ? Jan 2, 2015 20:04

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