Annointed posted:So, this is my fist time watching an anime from this director, and wow. Please be honest, is this porn? Am I being messed with or something? Like you can tell me all about the symbolism, but just why depict underage girls like that? 
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Stalin-Chan posted:why does the op say "lily bear storm" and not "lesbian bear storm". Because yuri-as-code-for-sapphism comes from Japan's first lesbian magazine, Yurizoku (ユリ族). "Lesbian bear storm" would be, colloquially, "Bian Kuma Arashi" (ビアン クマ 嵐) or more formally "Rezubian Kuma Arashi" (レズビアン クマ 嵐).
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Jan 6, 2015 01:53
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Space Bat posted:They're mostly bad and frankly, he likes to diddle kids. 
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Jan 6, 2015 02:09
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Captain Failcon posted:I have actually seen the entirety of Rebel Girl Utena and I was just wondering why Ikuhara's shows are even popular. The Lesbian overtones really started to dig into my skin early on and really put me off the show, is this what normal folk consider good anime? I do not understand. At least then they are adults in that show but that is your only saving grace. Ikuhara is a hack. The cast of Revolutionary Girl Utena is Greek?
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Jan 6, 2015 02:18
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Space Bat posted:So Utena is about underaged girls having sex too? Hmm, no, I distinctly remember two underage boys loving each other and also an older man.
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Jan 6, 2015 02:34
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Rodyle posted:Doesn't Akio bed quite literally the entire cast He only does the horizontal tango with half of the student council, and, uh, I don't think he paid much attention to Kanae either...
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Jan 6, 2015 02:39
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You wanna know how many times I've whacked off to the roses in Utena? Well, *ora-ora-oras with open hands*
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Jan 6, 2015 02:47
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Ban this sick filth
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Jan 6, 2015 02:52
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Space Bat posted:I don't understand your reasoning? Well, for one thing, quote:> You passed a long while with Rise. quote:Kujikawa Rise EDIT: quote:Edit: Oh, I see. You're one of those kind of people.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:03
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Space Bat posted:What kind of people exactly? Mmm... How can I say this? Uh, pedantic.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:09
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Space Bat posted:What's pedantic about what I said? Is it because the female protagonist in non-canon? 
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Jan 6, 2015 03:17
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Captain Failcon posted:its amazing how you got called out so badly that you don't even have a proper response to his brutal logic bomb he dropped on your retarded rear end Excellent insight, Captain.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:04
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Space Flower posted:Is that an issue worth the discussion in the first place? Whether or not someone is attracted to anime teenagers with nipple-less breasts, I hardly think the fanservice angle is even relevant for this show. If we wrote off every anime that had pin-up posters featured in Megami, Nyantype, etc., we'd be out of shows to watch. There's an interesting discussion about how feminized sexuality like stock yuri series is considered far less shameful than masculinized sexuality (like KLK), but this isn't the thread, or, frankly, the forum to do it in.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:26
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DrPaper posted:But this is the anime forum, so it's perfectly fine. Okay, you first.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:43
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DrPaper posted:Outside of otaku, stock yuri is considered MORE shameful, because not only is it blatantly dehumanizing an entire sexuality of people for fetishization, people use it as a shield to call anyone who thinks your show sexualizing underage girls is gross a "bigot", and your ability to j/o over it "progressive". And that's on top of the same issues that it would share with masculine fanservice. Okay, so what I'm getting from this is that you're a pedophile, but at least you're not one of those otaku. Interesting. I also wasn't referring to male-targeted fanservice, either.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:48
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DrPaper posted:I forgot Kunihiko Ikuhara was a woman. It doesn't matter who makes it, just because a woman made it doesn't mean it's any better. I'm a woman and a lesbian, and I enjoy fanservice, and I wouldn't care if other people enjoyed fanservice as well if they weren't using the sexuality of the characters to claim their of a higher moral standing than other otaku. Especially when it's used to shadow fanservice of underage characters who get raped by bears, which is pretty gross imho. You were the one who said you were no better than someone who Of course, the question of whether we are meant to treat, say, Utena Tenjou as a literal fourteen-year-old within the context of RGU is one that's thorny because of that sort of accusation, and also not exactly an easy one to answer given the cultural perceptions around high school in Japan.
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Jan 6, 2015 07:01
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DrPaper posted:Sorry, I meant to intone I was just simply" a weird anime person", and that jacking it to lesbian anime girls doesn't make you better than weird anime people just because their lesbians. I was caught of guard when you actually invited me to talk about the subject instead of shirking it off, so I didn't proofread my syntax. I don't tend to watch anime with underaged characters in general because I actually hate children. 'scool. Supposedly, there's a hefty straight woman audience for yuri/Class S, which may explain a great deal of genre conceits.
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Renoistic posted:I just watched the ending, and while I would have loved an unambigiously happy ending, what I got was pretty good. Utena caused a small revolution in the end She grew up, and left behind the children's world of Ohtori. The movie is aptly named.
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I have NO idea what's up with [spoiler] Utena's disappearence though. Is she dead? Or did she actually get sent away? Does she remember anything of what happened in that case? But I guess that's not really relevant for what the writer set out to do. I just think it's kind of heart-breaking that the last we see of of Utena is her crying because she thought she let Anthy down.|
"Ōkawa Haruyoshi, who was seven years old and the son of the Sankebetsu village mayor at the time of the incident, grew up to become an excellent bear hunter. He swore an oath to kill ten bears for every victim of the attack. By the time he reached the age of 62, he had killed 102 bears. He then retired and constructed the bear harm cenotaph (熊害慰霊碑 Yūgai Ireihi?), a shrine where people can pray for the dead villagers." May be relevant.
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Jan 8, 2015 02:59
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Sharkopath posted:This post isn't a possible spoiler, I just think GAO GAO is a really good sound effect that should get used more. Yeah, the-thirty-dollar-BYOB-agreed-emote.
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a cartoon duck posted:Is anyone licencing or at least scanlating the manga? I'm more interested in that than the anime at this point but it seems stuck at chapter 2. I saw a reference to a scanlated ch. 3 but nothing so far on actually finding it. Nobody even seems to know how many chapters have been printed in Comic Birz. EDIT: Looks like it's been published regularly since February, so ch. Effectronica fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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The Monkey Man posted:It seems weird that the manga started almost a year ago. I thought that most manga spinoffs start just a few months before the anime premiere. The Utena manga started about a year before the show began, too. Ikuhara likes to do that.
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Namtab posted:I know you did and I'm not having a pop at you. This is an anime where two girls do something that is probably symbolic rape to another girl, as of this point. There's actually a difference between that and literal on-screen molestation. Srice posted:Yeah. Wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that in doing so he's also going for some commentary on it. Ikuhara worked on the anime of Aoi Hana/Sweet Blue Flowers, which was created by the same woman who wrote Wandering Son. He has some interesting history with the genre. That being said, having the two leads start out in a sexual relationship already breaks the associated norms of the genre (although the manga is more conventional in this regard).
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Jan 10, 2015 16:45
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Namtab posted:The three girls are all naked, two of them are licking the pubic area of the third girl presumably against her wishes. No, they're not. They're licking a magical flower that has grown from there, and which is dripping actual honey, not vaginal mucosa. If you think that's what women's genitals look like, uh, well, good luck having sex. I mean, Utena is not actually performing a sexual act on Anthy when she pulls out the Sword of Dios, either, even though there's blatant sexual imagery.
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Jan 10, 2015 17:00
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Namtab posted:Oh I see. Totes legit, def. not creepy or hosed up. That's not what I said. I know you're morally outraged that the guy who wrote a show where pedophilic incest is a critical plot point included hosed-up sexual imagery in his show, but do you have to show it through selective literacy?
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Jan 10, 2015 17:10
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Namtab posted:E: How foolish I was to not realise that they were licking her magical flower instead of her vagina. That def isn't at all a metaphor for them licking her vagina. Oh, maybe you actually are really, incredibly stupid. In any case, I'm really suspicious of anything that relies too heavily on assuming YKA is primarily an ouroborotic commentary on the yuri genre. Utena was a commentary on magical girl shows and an outre example of the same, but it also had its own things going on besides being pure commentary.
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Jan 10, 2015 17:24
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tonberrytoby posted:I get uncomfortable when someone says that all implications to homosexual sex is always rape and porn and wrong. Um, uh, please don't post about the episode without watching it, ha-ha.
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Jan 10, 2015 18:17
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Darth Walrus posted:That's reasonable, but they're making it incredibly obvious how self-aware and self-referential this show is. I mean, the first episode literally starts with a banner saying 'YURI', every character has 'yuri' somewhere in the name, there's omnipresent lily imagery... they're really rubbing your face in the fact that 'HEY, GUYS, THIS IS A YURI SHOW', and when somebody makes a theme that obvious, it's reasonable to assume it'll have something to say about it. Sure, and Utena has things to say about the magical girl genre as well. But I'm wary about assigning everything a sexual meaning given that it's possible to read the title as "Lesbian (version of) Bear Storm", with Bear Storm being the name of a historical novel about a rampage where a grizzly killed and ate seven people in Hokkaido and one of the survivors spent the rest of his live killing bears in revenge. The eating may be eating, and not actually sexual.
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Jan 10, 2015 18:47
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ViggyNash posted:Yes, because Ikuhara is totally literal in every aspect of Utena and Penguindrum,. Okay, yes, let's play this out. From the first episode, the bears infiltrated past the "Wall of Extinction" because... they're horny? They need to rape to live? It's something that's obviously sexualized, but when you look at it from that perspective, it suddenly becomes incoherent as anything other than some truly disturbing fetish pornography with a bunch of nonsense attached.
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Kaelan Zero posted:
On the other hand, she's only listed as the artist and Ikuhara is still credited as the author. There's also some synchronicity that seems pretty unusual if it's just thematic similarities plus similar characters.
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Jan 11, 2015 22:47
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Well, it looks like Ikuni is going back to the magical girl well with this. Haha. Sharkopath posted:Everybody is bears. They totally are. It's great.
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Jan 12, 2015 22:11
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Sharkopath posted:I'd probably like the show more if the characters had more personality instead of basically being stock character types, though. I hope that there'll be one or more episodes that allow for more time spent on characters at some point, though this will only be one cour.
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Jan 12, 2015 22:18
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Uh, more substantive thoughts- "Eating" is both sex and violence, lawl. "Invisible" seems to refer to both dying and staying closeted from what ahoge-bear was saying to the class prez. Interestingly, the leaves that appear with the Invisible Storm are the only greenery outside of the garden. The bears target people who genuinely love and gain sustenance from love. Lulu and Ginko appear to need the court so that they don't kill and eat people like the class president. So I'm guessing that we'll have menage a trois at some point, and true love will free Lulu and Ginko from the hunger.
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Namtab posted:So eating turned out to be rape after all? Nope, it's still metaphorical, unlike the actual, physical murder and devouring of people which is also referred to as "eating". Edit: You did have one of the bears being very forward with our heroine, though, so commence the condemnation.
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everythingWasBees posted:Also, if Lulu and Ginko aren't malicious, the whole "give yourself over to the bears, and your love will be approved" is a lot less sinister, and might actually imply some sort of protection from the Invisible Storm. I mean, Kureha does clasp hands with them at the end of the stock footage.
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everythingWasBees posted:Yeah, but with the context of only the first episode, that could just imply she gives in and surrenders to being eaten. As opposed to... Consenting to being eaten I guess? It happens after the eating, so I dunno. But I think that the student council president's murdering of "invisible" girls is more likely to be metaphorical for rape/sexual assault, with the "eating" Ginko and Lulu are doing being consensual.
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a cartoon duck posted:the manga is extremely cool and good and someone should translate more of it so the thread can be about that instead of the anime it's actually pretty standard yuri stuff dude, unless it gets really kickass in ch. 3 or whatever
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aers posted:https://twitter.com/vestenet/status/557612005906194432 Kureha is her own mother thanks to time-travel shenanigans in episode 11.
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Endorph posted:i'm a girl, you dipshit If it helps, I prefer your posts to Space Flower jabbering about how this show is giving objectification and patriarchy the ole one-two to the gut.
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Endorph posted:ty i guess it;s about time to find some geicomi that are autobiographical so we can have a thread about plica, rica 'tte kanji!, etc.
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