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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883quote:Gunmen have attacked the Paris office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 11 people and injuring 10, French officials say. Twitter is blowing up, 2 people in hoods did this, who may or may not have been Muslim already people are using this as an excuse to vilify the other 1.5 billion Muslims
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From Le Monde: "This attack, if confirmed as a terrorist attack, would be without a doubt the largest killing committed in France since 1945." EDIT: And the French national security alert system has been pushed up to Scarlet, as might be expected given that the shooters are still on the loose. Combed Thunderclap fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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Jan 7, 2015 13:24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFwedk4dBCc Hebdo published a cartoon of ISIS leader al-Baghdadi on Twitter prior to the attack, but it must have taken more time for the terrorists to prepare the attack than that.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:27
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Paris is kind of a rough town these days but this is far and away the worst thing to have happened there in ages. They ran some satirical cartoon about ISIS' main guy recently, so it might have been a response to that.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:28
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This is absolutely horrendous. The loss of life is atrocious, but the second order political effects are like to be even more tragic.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:32
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Mandy Thompson posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 why is it muslims who seem to be doing this poo poo in the civilized world? religion of peace allahu ackbar pbuh
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Jan 7, 2015 13:33
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The world is out of control. RIP to the deceased and condolences to the victims families and friends. I hope the wounded recover. To the hills I go.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:37
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Apparently they're still on the loose. These kind of threads tend to veer towards "gently caress this guy for the inevitable legislative response' shitshows, but I'm not really sure what you can say now other than to hope they're captured before killing any more, and that this is utterly repulsive and a very, very bad thing.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:38
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BBC updates saying the men had "typical jihadist "uniform"" and were heard shouting "The prophet is avenged." and "God is great." in Arabic during the attack. Also that they had a rocket launcher as well as AK-47s.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:43
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Mandy Thompson posted:
AFP reporting that they shouted "we have avenged the prophet". Given recent history, the chances of a 'false flag' attack are pretty much non-existent.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:43
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So, self radicalized or something more organized? My gut instinct is the former, but if it's the latter and ISIS is involved, any chance that it could spur France to take some kind of role in the ongoing intervention in Syria?awesome-express posted:why is it muslims who seem to be doing this poo poo in the civilized world? Earlier today someone tried to blow up a NAACP office in Colorado. Doubt the perpetrator was Muslim.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:45
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ufarn posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFwedk4dBCc Yeah, unless it was like some sort of direct call and they were just hanging on their every word, I'd presume it was just a coincidence.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:46
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Doesn't France have fairly strict gun laws? How'd they get so well armed? Kind of early to be asking this I guess, but they seem to have some really serious stuff based on multiple accounts and sources
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Jan 7, 2015 13:47
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The head editor of Charlie Hebdo is in critical condition.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:47
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According to Swedish media they published a cartoon of al-Baghdadi recently, so it's possible it's some form of crazy revenge for the publication I guess.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:47
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Star posted:According to Swedish media they published a cartoon of al-Baghdadi recently, so it's possible it's some form of crazy revenge for the publication I guess. It's not the first time they've been attacked in recent years either.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:48
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Doesn't France have fairly strict gun laws? How'd they get so well armed? Kind of early to be asking this I guess, but they seem to have some really serious stuff based on multiple accounts and sources Smuggled it in and/or ties with organised crime I guess?
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Jan 7, 2015 13:50
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 Brave internet soldiers of Allah hard at work continuing the fight. or just regular trolls maybe
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Jan 7, 2015 13:51
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Here's a live feed from the Guardian for those who don't want to/can't watch a stream.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:51
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Doesn't France have fairly strict gun laws? How'd they get so well armed? Kind of early to be asking this I guess, but they seem to have some really serious stuff based on multiple accounts and sources Arms trafficking associated with Eastern European crime networks have been busted in France before. Radio France Internationale reporting that the attackers' vehicle has been found abandoned in the north of the city (19th arrondissement).
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Jan 7, 2015 13:52
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A happy day for Madame Le Pen.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:52
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:So, self radicalized or something more organized? My gut instinct is the former, but if it's the latter and ISIS is involved, any chance that it could spur France to take some kind of role in the ongoing intervention in Syria? dorkasaurus_rex posted:Doesn't France have fairly strict gun laws? How'd they get so well armed? Kind of early to be asking this I guess, but they seem to have some really serious stuff based on multiple accounts and sources
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Jan 7, 2015 13:52
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Doesn't France have fairly strict gun laws? How'd they get so well armed? Kind of early to be asking this I guess, but they seem to have some really serious stuff based on multiple accounts and sources There are gangs in the banlieus that are heavily armed as poo poo with weaponry smuggled from Eastern Europe & Balkans. Have been for a long time. People with connections over there should have little trouble getting full auto guns, grenades, RPG7's and such.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:53
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Mandy Thompson posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 Muslims don't need much vilifying though.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:54
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I can't put my finger on it, but these latest attacks remind me of the terror attacks in the late 18, early 1900s.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:54
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Guavanaut posted:Syria is still recovering from the last time France had any involvement there. I'm not opposed to intervention in the former-Ottoman areas, but I think France, Britain, and Russia are the last people who should be involved. I'd imagine many people there share this view. Oh god, an ISIS cell in Europe. Please don't let that be this thing. This is already bad enough without all the horrible poo poo that would come with that being the case. LePen would have a chance if that were true.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:54
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Quite shocked myself, some of the people killed today had a huge influence on free speech & drawing
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Jan 7, 2015 13:56
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Guavanaut posted:Syria is still recovering from the last time France had any involvement there. I'm not opposed to intervention in the former-Ottoman areas, but I think France, Britain, and Russia are the last people who should be involved. I'd imagine many people there share this view. I'm not hoping for an intervention. Even if I thought intervention was a positive, I'm leery about whether or not France even has the military capacity to really add to the current operations. I'm just curious if the political situation and public mood makes it a possibility.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:58
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Should probably be more concerned about what France's going to do in France in response to this.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:58
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Hogge Wild posted:Muslims don't need much vilifying though. Hogge, is this D&D or am I still somehow posting in LF? dorkasaurus_rex posted:Oh god, an ISIS cell in Europe. Please don't let that be this thing. This is already bad enough without all the horrible poo poo that would come with that being the case. LePen would have a chance if that were true. Since it appears there are posters in this thread who don't mind if ISIS cells terrorize Europe, or crazy jihadists murder publishers of satire magazines quite as as much as the possibility that people might use this as an "excuse" to vilify muslims or LePen might get more votes 
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Jan 7, 2015 14:00
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Brannock posted:Should probably be more concerned about what France's going to do in France in response to this. Due to past immigrant youth riots over lack of opportunity and government bulldozing of Roma camps, I'm sure that France is perfectly capable of having a lovely internal reaction. I'm not sure of how they might react externally, hence the question about what they might conceivably do.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:03
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Ligur posted:Hogge, is this D&D or am I still somehow posting in LF? How dare people discuss the political implications of an event, in a political forum.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:04
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Holy poo poo, that's a pretty hardcore operation. It looks like the suspects escaped so... not sure how they're hoping to find them if they were wearing ski masks or something at the time.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:04
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Ligur posted:Hogge, is this D&D or am I still somehow posting in LF? Le Pen in power would do far more damage to France than IS or random nutjobs ever could, and the far right who are of your mind are just as likely to commit terrorist attacks. Remember Breivik?
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Jan 7, 2015 14:05
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:So, self radicalized or something more organized? My gut instinct is the former, but if it's the latter and ISIS is involved, any chance that it could spur France to take some kind of role in the ongoing intervention in Syria? Watch the minute long video of them shot from the roof. They were acting very professionally, seemed to have some form of military training; also reportedly ISIS sent out a tweet saying they were going to attack France, just an hour before the attack. The French police are describing the 3 as being “commandos”. All of this does indicate that it is a ISIS operation or at least with people who have military experience.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:05
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Ligur posted:Hogge, is this D&D or am I still somehow posting in LF? She's a Holocaust denier/French xenophobe and I'm from a French Jewish family. I think it's okay if I worry a bit. Can you not do the Ligur thing in this thread? These events are upsetting enough as is. For what it's worth, Brown Moses' twitter is super on top of this.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:06
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ukle posted:Watch the minute long video of them shot from the roof. They were acting very professionally, seemed to have some form of military training; also reportedly ISIS sent out a tweet saying they were going to attack France, just an hour before the attack. The French police are describing the 3 as being “commandos”. I'm torn, on one hand the target seems strange for it to be something that ISIS initiated, but at the same time the weapons and the fact that the assailants survived and escaped from the resulting police confrontation points to people who have some idea of what they're doing. I suppose the lower key target could have been in part to guarantee a fair amount of success compared to a more heavily guarded location?
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Jan 7, 2015 14:10
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Video making the rounds on YouTube and Facebook at the moment that shows one of the police officers on the pavement, wounded after being shot at, then one of the gunmen runs up and shoots him in the head at point blank range. No words.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:11
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Ligur posted:Since it appears there are posters in this thread who don't mind if ISIS cells terrorize Europe, or crazy jihadists murder publishers of satire magazines quite as as much as the possibility that people might use this as an "excuse" to vilify muslims or LePen might get more votes
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There's a video going around on Twitter of one of the gunmen shooting an injured police officer in the head as he lay on the sidewalk with his hands up. Really brutal stuff. I hope they catch these guys before they do anything else.
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