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Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Liquid Communism posted:

Like any hobby, curate the people you play with. There are shitheels in any niche, it's your option to tell them to gently caress off.

Sure, I understand. I'm well familiar with hobbies that attract assholes - I play 40K, listen to metal, etc. I wasn't trying to troll when I said that. I checked out the local HEMA school several years ago. Apparently they have a beginner's class; after that, they invite students to go further and do advanced training. I couldn't help but notice that everyone invited was white. They definitely had a "type."

I just checked their website; they've dropped this and added statements of inclusion. I'd like to believe this is sincere, but it really left we with no desire whatsoever to have any association with that again.

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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Finding good HEMA groups is a pain in the rear end. There's only one really established one local to me, but they're only interested in doing tournament longsword in a highly competitive environment and it's not my jam, so I mostly fence with the SCA folks. Lower average skill level and no real structured training, but at least it's better than only solo work.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

There's always Sports Chanbara:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjIopjGzJeM

Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001

ImplicitAssembler posted:

- Cutting edge/point only.
- Accelerometers as well as contact.
- stiffer blades
High-level fencers are terrifyingly strong and skilled, and would have no problem doing exactly what they do right now with accelerometers, stiffer blades and insulation on the flat of the blade - just perhaps a higher rate of equipment damage and injury. While this would be interesting, the issue is more about subjectivity in the current refereeing "case law" when both fencers charge in right off the mark and (almost) simultaneously smack each other, and that the way the rules currently are seems to heavily favour this kind of play.
Cyrus explains his take on it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqgSFAQ-AcU
I think he's right about back-and-forth making for interesting fights - although as a foilist I may be biased. I'm not 100% convinced about shorter timing being the key but hell, I'd be willing to give it a go if it makes things clearer for both the ref and the audience. In order to split calls in the middle 4m I'm told to look for commitment to the attack, which can come from either the hand or the feet. It's incredibly difficult - different fencers have different tells and styles that you have to pick up on, and everything happens incredibly quickly.

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Crazy Achmed posted:

Cyrus explains his take on it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqgSFAQ-AcU
I think he's right about back-and-forth making for interesting fights - although as a foilist I may be biased.

The most fun I have had fencing was when a friend of mine and I would do what we called "Abre." That is, Sabre without the S, no Simultaneous attacks. If the initial move at "ready, fence" was even close to a simultaneous we'd just throw it out, instead doing cautious attacks, in-and-outs, etc., so as to make each point go to a bit of back-and-forth. It was great fun.

I haven't watched the latest "Ponce de Leon" Youtube video yet, but I've heard they propose something similar - if simultaneous attacks don't count not only do you get rid of a lot of the boring predictability, but you also take out a LOT of the arbitrariness of judging, which would be a vast improvement.

Crazy Achmed posted:

I'm not 100% convinced about shorter timing being the key but hell, I'd be willing to give it a go if it makes things clearer for both the ref and the audience. In order to split calls in the middle 4m I'm told to look for commitment to the attack, which can come from either the hand or the feet. It's incredibly difficult - different fencers have different tells and styles that you have to pick up on, and everything happens incredibly quickly.

And, bluntly, the problem is that there is zero consistency in how referees call this. The rules do not, and can not, adequately describe exactly what makes one fencer's attack more committed than another. I've been fencing sabre for four years and still have no idea what exactly refs are looking for, which is absurd.

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Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001

Yeah, anything that makes things less likely to put the ref in a situation where they have to make a really tight call, I'm willing to give a try. I remember fencing with the old 120ms timing and getting annoyed by epee-style counterattacks and remises, but I put that squarely down to a skill issue on my part. But trying to figure out what's going on right now with things like Alshamlan's giant leap forwards being or not being a prep sucks hard.

When there's no ref available I quite like to do what I call "tennis rules", where someone has priority right from the get-go and it switches every point.

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