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It's beginners' course time again at my club, does anyone has any fun not-quite-a-real-bout group games we should try out? I.e. letting them stab each other a bit but without having to learn all the rules yet. Just for context, this is purely to make sure they're having a bit of fun and not just drilling in their first few lessons.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:I'm thinking of doing an effort post on JSA for the OP...would anyone be interested in that? Turtlicious posted:On a scale of 1 - 10 how bad is whipping someone on purpose after they accidentally whipped you like 5x? I once pulled off a really nice fleche against a Russian exchange student, sheer beginner's luck for me. The guy got amazingly angry and started doing a lot of really forceful flicks and beats. The sad thing is that as I was pretty new at the time, he could have just kept fencing normally and still kicked my rear end; he was winning anyway. Don't be that guy. Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 05:05
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I was going to post a link to the Cold Steel greatsword infomercial, but then I discovered their smallsword one. It's good for catching rings thrown at you, I guess? Also they show off a masterful demonstration of that standard fencing move, the "throw your sword like a javelin". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr71uTyWKtk Man, he really wants that pig dead 
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Mar 10, 2015 12:39
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So I've always wondered, how does a basket hilt actually protect the hand? The one posted above looks like you could still thrust a blade through it at a near dead-on angle and hit the weapon hand. Or is it just a trick of perspective? [edit]Also, apparently there's a new event in the FIE grand prix series or something starting in Havana in a couple of days. I hope they broadcast it... Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 09:10
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How much does a rapier weigh, on average? Being a foilist, epees feel just fine until about ten points into a bout, then they suddenly transform into a giant lead brick. My sabreur friends have suggested I set up something to hit and just practise cutting for ages until I build up more hand strength.
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Mar 12, 2015 01:27
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curious lump posted:A rapier is like 2 pounds, which, if you get tired using an epee, is probably too much for you. Do more pushups. HEY GAL posted:I think it's funny that this is the same thread that had a debate about whether or not women are strong enough to fence men  , but purely because the pool of people they fence against, at least under tournament conditions, is being restricted.Anyone with experience in this area care to comment?
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Mar 12, 2015 05:08
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Verisimilidude posted:The Martinez Academy uploaded two videos on French and Italian foil assaults. [Edit] this has to be a bladework demo, they are close as gently caress to each other. I still wish i could prime like that, though. Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 12:40
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Gadamer posted:Why? This is an issue close to my heart because I'm a lazy fucker and give away a lot of points this way. About hips vs hands first, at least in sport fencing it's hands first all the way. Hands move faster than the body, power isn't really an issue, and regardless of the weapon when attacking you ideally want to have the sharp bit of your weapon close to the other guy, but your target as far away as possible. Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 04:32
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I can't speak for anything other than sport fencing, but we don't really care about power behind the touch. So long as you can make contact with the blade or apply the 500g to depress the tip switch, anything above that is a waste of effort. Leverage ensures that unless you are literally fencing a baby, you cannot physically overpower someone who parries you correctly (their forte parrying your foible). In fact, punching a thrust or putting your arm/back/hips full force into a sabre cut could get your rear end carded for brutality. Epee is probably the best example for why you extend first, in fact, given its lack of priority rules. It boils down to: if two people walk towards each other, one extended and the other with a bent arm, the guy who extended first will land the touch first. Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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Mar 18, 2015 05:30
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:judging by this thread it clearly can't be foil because they have more than 10 grams of muscle mass in their arms. Maybe it's sabre, neither fencer demonstrates the ability to read, write or speak words of more than one syllable Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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Mar 18, 2015 05:55
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Making a call with confidence is also a big part of it, as chances are neither fencer is 100℅ sure what happened during a messy exchange, either. Have any of you ever had parents/coaches threatening you because you didn't call in favour of their little Timmy? Just asking out of morbid curiosity.
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Mar 19, 2015 00:46
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powertoiletduck posted:That's one of my favourite "US only" rules. Your armoury team can get really wound up about very little things. What's the epee wiring rule?
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Mar 20, 2015 23:08
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Wow. I'd heard about this but never read up about it, that's some pretty brazen stuff. I did hear there was a rumour that Onishchenko was pressured into using the doctored weapon by officials, even though he obviously didn't need it - nothing substantiated, of course.  I'll have to go have a closer look at my epee tonight... I replaced the blade a while back but didn't think about this kind of thing, only about how to lay the wire out so that it wouldn't fatigue. I'd always thought that epee pretty much refs itself; can you give a bit of detail on the main things that get argued about? Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Mar 24, 2015 |
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Mar 24, 2015 02:41
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Verisimilidude posted:Hey fencing nerds, what do y'all do for conditioning? America got stomped by the Euros at the Purpleheart Open, partially because they're far more conditioned than we are (generally). Fencing specific things, lunge-redouble-redouble and keep redoubling until you get to the end of the room is good sometimes. Chuck some squats in there for good measure if you like.
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Mar 24, 2015 06:04
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El Spamo posted:Don't forget deadlifts and back/core exercises too! I destroyed my muscles in a tournament once because I wasn't quite fit enough and I was doing lots and lots of low line actions. My back HURT. I wouldn't put yourself down as not having a feel for where priority is, as an epeeist, either. You probably use it, but just as a guideline rather than a strict rule. Surely you have a feeling for whether you're attacking or counterattacking, and if you go for a parry/bind, whether it worked or not... I always try to look for where the attack starts, then look and listen for blade contact. From there, I try to work out what the contact was (parry, malparry, beat, etc), and continue until the touch. There's always the timing thing too on whether a remise lands before an out-of-time riposte begins.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:17
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HEY GAL posted:Check out this guy's arm:
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Mar 25, 2015 06:29
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tirinal posted:Just finished my first two-hour session. Impressions: Also, if you are having problems with priority, just remember this: don't remise, instead stay calm, step back, parry and riposte. This will, at this stage, solve 95% of your problems. Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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Apr 4, 2015 13:00
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What's the "lock-out" time generally considered to be? A thrust and fleche past would probably avoid a counterattack after the hit, but easier said than done. And is there much of a difference fencing a left-hander with a two-handed weapon? How big is the bout area compared to, say, kendo or boxing? It looks pretty claustrophobic to me, but I guess it does give you the option of retreating indefinitely (whereas on a piste there's only so much backing up you can do). Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 00:09
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Yeah, my club's had no lefties for about six months now, but we just got a few new ones last beginners' course. I'm going to have to learn how to fence them again... don't ask me what it is, but they always seem like they're slightly further away than they really are when in a normal six en-garde. There were a couple of touches in that video where the defender did quite a quite parry that was too level (should have been a bit more angled) and got smacked in the wrist/forearm - was that as painful as it looked? And do you get a lot of sabre/epee-style poo poo with people trying for relatively quick slashes to the wrists and forearm?
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Apr 6, 2015 06:17
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There are quite a lot of good matches coming out of the current FIE GP. Here's some foil where you can watch Alexander Massialas being a dick by countering/remising with a point in line and letting his opponent walk into it. drat, those guys are scary fast.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:29
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Verisimilidude posted:Just curious, but are American fencers generally good? Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 01:56
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So, a priority question for reffy types: in foil, if someone establishes a line and moves backwards while keeping their point in line and arm extended (e.g. stepping back or dodging by leaning their torso back), are they ceding priority? Some people have told me no, as the arm remains out and the line remains unbroken, whereas others have said that any backwards motion of the point cedes right of way.
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Apr 16, 2015 10:27
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Siivola posted:About half of the timidity probably comes from the fact that the duel is done and everybody has to go home the moment one dude gets a tiny little cut on the arm. If you want to emulate that, just make it a rule that whoever loses a point has to do thirty pushups, and any bout devolves into that tippy-tappy poo poo. Hence sport fencing. But luckily, sport fencing is really fun and stuff  Also, there's also a chance that those videos come from a period when dueling itself was legal, but killing someone during said duel wasn't. Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 06:29
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BirdOfPlay posted:Read the whole thread (seriously, it's 13 pages, I have more to catch up on with either the Political Cartoon or US Pol in D&D). We do surprisingly little about discussion about F.net here, even though it is the Reddit of the fencing world. What do you mean by incomplete 512? What's the deal with the qualification paths? And having to fence into the small hours sounds pretty brutal. Unless drinks are involved, in which case it probably becomes awesome.
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Apr 23, 2015 12:48
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A 50% chance of automatically making it to the second round of DEs sounds fair  Isn't this what poules are for?
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Apr 24, 2015 04:53
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Come to think of it, wouldn't it make more sense to limit the number of entrants to 2^n?
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Apr 24, 2015 11:36
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I think I have a new record for gear failures in one day: two tip explosions (foil and epee) and a second foil not registering on switch press. Only my sabre survived! I have spares for the tips, but god drat do I hate troubleshooting possible blade wire/socket faults. Is there an actual good reason for using a single tiny wire instead of a proper sheathed multi-strand cable? I've always wondered this. Then again, bayonet plugs still exist.
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Apr 30, 2015 05:41
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Oh yeah, I've wrecked a few weapons before, everything except the grip is basically a consumable. But I've never smashed 3 in the space of 2 hours until now... The deal with using a cable with multiple strands is that it can be more flexible than a thicker gauge. And there's the big advantage that if one strand breaks, you're not totally screwed. Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 09:47
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dupersaurus posted:Bayonet master race 4 lyfe. Thinking more about it, a sheathed multi strand cable would definitely be bigger in diameter than the existing blade wire, but surely the blade could be changed slightly to suit, we're talking 1mm or less here. Plus since the strands themselves aren't glued in, they can move inside the sheath as the blade bends, which should also extend their life. But it'll probably only happen slightly after the US switches to the metric system...
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May 1, 2015 01:57
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I've seen what dupersaurus is describing, and it's hilarious.
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May 4, 2015 01:34
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dupersaurus posted:Oh, I'm quite capable of doing it without the help of a chest protector. serioustalk: maybe try pronating/supinating more if you're attacking to the sides of target? Or begin your attack/extension from slightly further away.
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May 9, 2015 12:28
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What weapon are you talking about? If you're thrusting, you just need to relax, launch your attack from a fraction further away than normal, and make sure your hand goes first before your feet. Think of just placing the point on target and touching it, rather than punching or trying to put power behind it.
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May 13, 2015 13:47
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dupersaurus posted:Foil. And, yeah, I know what needs to be done; I'm climbing out of that gap between knowing and executing, but I've been making good strides on it. I tend to finish marching attacks a tempo or two later than I should (which causes all sorts of fun problems), and getting my brain to accept that I'm long enough to hit from out there has been an exercise. Sure makes life easier, though. Moridin920, as far as sport fencing clubs go I'd suggest just searching the net, send an email ahead of time to ask where they are on the social-competitive spectrum (this might also give you an idea of whether they're nice people, too), and just turn up to a session or two. The only real advice I can give, regardless of whether you go sport or martial art, is to relax and ease yourself into it. I bought a sabre a while ago off a guy who gave up because he went too hard back into it having had a 10-year hiatus and strained his knee as a result.
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May 15, 2015 04:00
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Verisimilidude posted:See, I've always heard that with knees any damage is easily avoidable if you're careful not to hyper extend. People have told me that if anything fencing (in general) is actually good for the knees. In fact, one year's version of That Guy also insisted on fencing barefoot. (I think we ended up barring him from the piste without proper footwear and he disappeared a short while after) 
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May 20, 2015 02:21
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Oh hell no, twirling around is generally super bad for two reasons: firstly, you'll get stabbed while your back is turned, and secondly, you might get stabbed in the back of the head or neck. The second of these is extra super bad unless you're wearing a full helmet, obviously. What weapon are you learning, and where do your weapons/hands end up after you get the bind? Sure, you can close distance and try to grapple, but as the point of a bind is to hold their blade safely away from your target, it's probably going to be quicker and more effective to just riposte. Anyway, in other news I just noticed that Uhlmann have come out with a new barrel/tip design that does away with those horrible little grub screws. Holy poo poo. The design looks very simple: the barrel unscrews into two bits, the endmost one holding the tip captive and letting it slide back and forth. You seat a standard spring inside the back half of the barrel, screw the tip-holding bit in so that the spring contacts the interior end of the tip and lets it spring back out, and you're done. These have been way, way too long coming and I want some. Verisimilidude posted:This past weekend was FNY, my school's tournament. My pool was crazy tough and I didn't advance, but it was fun regardless. Here's the only video (that I know of) of me fighting at that event. Also, what the gently caress, youtube?   (No, i'm not logged in with google/youtube/etc.) Going to see if there are any recordings of the kendo that ImplicitAssembler posted. Hopefully I can follow the action enough... Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jun 9, 2015 |
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Jun 9, 2015 11:17
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Ah, bad habits, I know all about those I'm trying to break myself from being a one-trick pony on the riposte (reflexively lunge, which doesn't work at all if my opponent knows to back out of range); even though I know what I'm doing wrong, what I want to do, and even in a practise/drill situation, it's so goddamn hard to break the habit. Kendoworld seems to have a lot of the tournament up here: https://www.youtube.com/user/KendoWorld/videos Looks pretty awesome, but I don't know what the rules are that govern the periods of time where the competitors are just kinda nudging each other with their weapons. I figure it must be kind of like in boxing where you end up with them just kinda leaning on each other sometimes (I know gently caress all about boxing, clearly), and either someone needs to do something or the ref breaks them up? Also, it sounds like there's a second bout going on within earshot of the first - surely the screaming coming from one would be horribly offputting for the other match?
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Jun 9, 2015 11:59
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Verisimilidude posted:
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Jun 23, 2015 03:07
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EmmyOk posted:I'm fairly certain I can put an Uhlmann barrel+tip on an LP foil blade. What about the wires though? Can any wire go with any barrel? Thewireguy, are you saying you're fencing barefoot? If so then  Re blisters and things, I've had no problems just with ordinary socks and a pair of generic well-fitting trainers. I didn't tie my laces tight enough a few weeks back, though, and my foot slid forwards inside the shoe hard enough to put a big bruise under my toenail. Deceleration at the end of a lunge can be brutal, apparently.
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Jun 23, 2015 08:32
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thewireguy posted:Yup, fencing barefoot. I don't know any better and that is how it is. 6 th class tomorrow. Wish me luck.
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EmmyOk posted:This seems to bet he consensus. I have raided the club armoury and found a few full uhlmann points as well as some wires which I believe to be uhlmann/German. I'd have thought that barefoot would be worse for HEMA, given that the blades look a lot stiffer? I know that target is all way above the feet, but all it takes is for someone to spaz out and lose control of a cut/thrust for half a second and suddenly it ends up in the wall, floor, etc.
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