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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:As a stakeholder in the American rail industry I strongly oppose this pipeline. As someone who drinks water drawn from the Ogallala aquifer and eats produce irrigated with water from it I strongly oppose this pipeline as well.
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:As a stakeholder in the American rail industry I strongly oppose this pipeline. You'd be better off opposing the Nicaraguan Canal. Ditto if you are an environmentalist too.
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FAUXTON posted:As someone who drinks water drawn from the Ogallala aquifer and eats produce irrigated with water from it I strongly oppose this pipeline as well. Why?
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RuanGacho posted:The Ants were spending a fine winter's day drying grain collected in the summertime. A Grasshopper, perishing with famine, passed by and earnestly begged for a little food. The Ants inquired of him, "Why did you not treasure up food during the summer?" He replied, "I had not leisure enough. I passed the days in oiling." They then said in derision: "If you were foolish enough to oil all the summer, you must dance supperless to bed in the winter." So, nothing at all to do with reality. Got it. (the transport capability is already present, dude)
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Jan 22, 2015 00:19
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Nintendo Kid posted:(the transport capability is already present, dude) So you admit KXXL isn't needed 
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Trabisnikof posted:So you admit KXXL isn't needed Well it'll free up trains to carry stuff like grain. Turns out oil companies will pay the most for transport so everyone else gets bumped.
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Trabisnikof posted:So you admit KXXL isn't needed Nope. Please learn to read.
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Jan 22, 2015 03:44
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Nintendo Kid posted:Nope. Please learn to read. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/22/north-dakota-spill.html Let's literally salt the loving Earth 
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CommieGIR posted:http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/22/north-dakota-spill.html Death Rally for oil, trains pipes airplanes and trucks, all invited to end this inhabitable world!
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CommieGIR posted:http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/22/north-dakota-spill.html Horrifying. We'll never have a pipeline that's even close to safe until we can trust corporations to put health over profit. On a related note the super safe process of fracking may have just poisoned over 100 of the aquifers in central California, 11 wells have been shut down and another 100 are under review. That should help the drought. http://www.propublica.org/article/ca-halts-injection-fracking-waste-warning-may-be-contaminating-aquifers http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/10/07/central-california-aquifers-contaminated-billions-gallons-fracking-wastewater
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Spun Dog posted:Horrifying. We'll never have a pipeline that's even close to safe until we can trust corporations to put health over profit. On a related note the super safe process of fracking may have just poisoned over 100 of the aquifers in central California, 11 wells have been shut down and another 100 are under review. That should help the drought. Technically, its not fracing that caused the potential contamination, but waste water injection associated with fracing. Its an important distinction since we're talking about two very different kinds of wells. And the reason those aquifers might be polluted is due to poor recordskeeping rather than technological failures: quote:Those are the aquifers at issue today. The exempted aquifers, according to documents the state filed with the U.S. EPA in 1981 and obtained by ProPublica, were poorly defined and ambiguously outlined. They were often identified by hand-drawn lines on a map, making it difficult to know today exactly which bodies of water were supposed to be protected, and by which aspects of the governing laws. Those exemptions and documents were signed by California Gov. Jerry Brown, who also was governor in 1981. (from the propublica article) So maybe we should upgrade our maps from "hand drawn," I'd be down.
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Trabisnikof posted:Technically, its not fracing that caused the potential contamination, but waste water injection associated with fracing. Its an important distinction since we're talking about two very different kinds of wells. Right, it's the disposal phase, but that's still part of the process. It's like the nuclear waste of fracking. Trabisnikof posted:And the reason those aquifers might be polluted is due to poor recordskeeping rather than technological failures: Completely agreed. Rent-A-Cop posted:I wonder if it'd even be possible to ship it anywhere for disposal without the public having a VVVVV Bottle it, call it something classy and sell it to the elite as the new hotness. Spun Dog fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Spun Dog posted:It's like the nuclear waste of fracking.  NAPALM TRAIN freakout.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I wonder if it'd even be possible to ship it anywhere for disposal without the public having a Far worse stuff is carried by trains. This is in the NYT today. I've been to a prove up dig in the middle of a Nebraska corn field (I think it was a 30" too), I'm wondering where these people were when that pipeline was installed. Or any of the other dozens put into the state.
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hobbesmaster posted:Far worse stuff is carried by trains. Probably unable to do much outside of protest which doesn't get the same press. A good few have been around in the environmental fight for a while so they'd natch object to any new pipe, except KXL is seeking approval from a more receptive president who made it a national issue.
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Jan 23, 2015 21:14
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You can get Keystone in XL what? Cans or kegs?
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Jan 23, 2015 21:37
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Keith Stone posted:You can get Keystone in XL what? Cans or kegs? I approve of this post
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Keith Stone posted:You can get Keystone in XL what? Cans or kegs? 36s duh.
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Jan 23, 2015 21:50
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Nintendo Kid posted:Why? Republicans are for it, thus I must be against it.
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Jan 23, 2015 22:08
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People can evolve to filter contaminants from drinking water, like they did with actual Keystone lager
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Pegged Lamb posted:People can evolve to filter contaminants from drinking water, like they did with actual Keystone lager Wait there was stuff other than water in those keystone cans?
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Jan 24, 2015 06:32
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FAUXTON posted:Wait there was stuff other than water in those keystone cans? Tar sands.
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hobbesmaster posted:Tar sands. I know what Guinness tastes like, you can't fool me.
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A glorious day. Obama vetoed a thing that wouldn't really help or hurt that much either way.
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Keith Stone posted:You can get Keystone in XL what? Cans or kegs? Keystone XL sounds like a god tier malt liquor brand IMO
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"Keystone XL opposition is dumb because rail already transports all the oil so you aren't stopping it from being burned" "We need Keystone XL because we can't transport all the oil on just rail" apparently not mutually exclusive statements.
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Stereotype posted:"Keystone XL opposition is dumb because rail already transports all the oil so you aren't stopping it from being burned" We had another train blow up a town, but really, that is why we need a pipeline. We are caring and compassionate people only looking out for your best interests, but our hands are tied. If we can't get a pipeline, trains and trucks are going to keep exploding. This is about safety people, we just want you to be safe.
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oh no we keep driving these trains full of explosives into your towns and then they keep exploding. we can't make them stop!! they just keep exploding and destroying homes and killing people, help!! they are unstoppable! we need a tube of limitless explosives flowing through your town, it is the only way to stop these explosions.
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I think a good enough reason to dislike the pipeline is that Republicans consistently say the reason they like it is to "create jobs, spur growth and increase America's independence from Mideast energy sources," none of which are outcomes of building the pipeline.
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Real things people have argued in this thread: We have to encourage extraction in Canada (where no one lives anyway) because otherwise we'd do it here and fracking is bad. Also trains spill oil CONSTANTLY. We should build the pipeline now while oil prices are too low for it to be profitable because they'll DEFINITELY go up in the future. We already have pipelines crossing vital aquifers, what harm could one more do? Also, without pipelines train derailments would "level towns." All oil is the same and people only oppose Keystone as part of sinister plot masterminded by Mexico, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Tom Steyer, King Abdullah, and their various oligarchic lackies in the DNC, Fox, and NGOs to keep the US from becoming a net exporter, or something. Also bitumen (a word that literally means "tar") is exactly the same as dirt. Oh and this is also Hilary's fault somehow. (honestly Hal can be kind of hard to follow) "Obama and Co." are corrupt, as we all know, and are probably incapable of doing things for altruistic reasons. The opposition is all part of a coal industry plot A pipeline spilling 50,000 gallons of crude into the Yellowstone River has NOTHING TO DO AT ALL with whether Keystone is a good idea. That other pipeline was a Pinto. Keystone is a Chevy and thus perfectly safe. Also, worrying about oil spills is the same as believing in chemtrails. The US is going to annex Canada anyway so we want them to be rich. (this guy may have been joking, but honestly who can tell?) My favorite though was the guy who c/p'd the bit from the "Ants and the Grasshopper" with 'singing" replaced with 'oiling" and thought it was trenchant commentary. This thread just might have the stupidest arguments in all of DnD. There are a few genuinely smart and thoughtful people in this thread, but the poo poo you've had to put up with boggles the brain.
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Pohl posted:We had another train blow up a town, but really, that is why we need a pipeline. We are caring and compassionate people only looking out for your best interests, but our hands are tied. If we can't get a pipeline, trains and trucks are going to keep exploding. This is about safety people, we just want you to be safe. Think of the children 
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Pohl posted:We had another train blow up a town, but really, that is why we need a pipeline. We are caring and compassionate people only looking out for your best interests, but our hands are tied. If we can't get a pipeline, trains and trucks are going to keep exploding. This is about safety people, we just want you to be safe. Meanwhile in Canada the Harper Government tried to shut down CP workers from striking for better safety protocol and shifts that lasted less than 10 hours.
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Count Canuckula posted:Meanwhile in Canada the Harper Government tried to shut down CP workers from striking for better safety protocol and shifts that lasted less than 10 hours.
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Shell just announced due to the drop in oil prices they are shelving some of their plans for the Pierre River tar sands mine. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/24/shell-shelves-plan-for-tar-sands-project-in-face-of-low-oil-prices
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CommieGIR posted:Think of the children Every time an oil car ships by rail god kills a puppy. Keystone XL would only benefit red states, there is no reason to sign the bill, and boost the economy in states that will never vote for you.
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CommieGIR posted:Shell just announced due to the drop in oil prices they are shelving some of their plans for the Pierre River tar sands mine. Foolish SHELL OBAMA ALREADY MADE GAS GO UP 19 cents! Obama is killing business.
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Remember that Freedom Industries spill? http://www.wvnstv.com/story/27579668/freedom-industries-president-facing-federal-fraud-charges The CEO of Freedom Industries was just indicted for federal fraud charges.
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CommieGIR posted:Remember that Freedom Industries spill? I'm not one to cheer on prison rape but I'm really hoping this guy ends up somewhere extremely uncomfortable and dies a lingering death from untreated hepatitis and a weeping staph infection on his taint.
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