Colts @ Broncos GDT: Neckbeard vs. Fivehead

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Spring Break My Heart: Feb 15, 2012

whens the last team all the home teams won in the divisional round?

# ¿ Jan 11, 2015 23:01

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 14:34

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future hall of famer adam vinatieri

# ¿ Jan 11, 2015 23:46

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Josh Lyman posted:

Jason Garrett "I didn't see it that way"

Read the rule book you moron

that doesnt really address anything, josh.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 00:21

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manning could have absolutely run for it.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 00:26

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Bad Caller posted:

Anyone else excited to see the Patriots destroy whichever team wins this game? I am.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 00:30

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Bad Caller posted:

It's amazing how undrafted running backs run better than Trent Richardson

I think Trent Richardson might be historically one of the worst running backs ever drafted in the top 5.

wouldnt he have to be? hes had fully negative value, i wouldnt take him over some dude who gets hurt right away and never plays a snap

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 00:35

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GaussianCopula posted:

Is Osweiler better than Manning and will Fox have the balls to bench Manning this game?

no and he wont, because hes not dumb

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 00:36

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Santheb posted:

Cribbs just lost years off his life holy poo poo

didnt he have a million concussion issues before and was told by everyone not to play football again?

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 00:48

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is the rule for possession different for punt returning and regular receiving? he had the ball for a tenth of a seconfd before getting blasted, no way would they say thats a completed catch

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 00:52

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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:

Andrew Luck is turning into a pumpkin.

Peyton is turning into dust.

Tom Brady is turning into a 4 time champion.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 00:57

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oh dear

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:02

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haljordan posted:

Haha I remember when Landry was on the jets, he was total garbage how does he keep getting signed

he was drafted really high and looks dynamite with his shirt off

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:05

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Bad Caller posted:

so did trent and look where he is now

laron got benched all the time himself. trent will get a 5 year contract and will be forcefed carries all the way thru.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:07

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thats a good defensive stand.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:12

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Quest For Glory II posted:

i wonder if any player has a higher "talked about by TV people" to "has actual catches" disproportion than wes welker

he made a lot of catches.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:15

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thwey traded up to get manziel. the guy taken at the pick was marcus smith by the eagles.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:28

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belichick was right about getting rid of welker and going for edelman and amendola. what a football mind.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:33

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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

How badly did the Broncos mortgage their future to win this year? Are they hosed next year or do they have enough wiggle room?

cap wise theyre fine. the issue is that their window is equal to that of peytons and this game will stir many questions

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:39

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Bad Caller posted:

why did you have to remind me of tony dungy and his awful cult following despite being a lovely human being

he was a great coach

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:41

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Beautiful Ninja posted:

Didn't that happen in the 1 month the entire time Peyton was playing for the Colts where the defense actually played good football?

they frequently had good defenses. they were one of the best in 2005

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:42

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EugeneJ posted:

So who had the worst career twilight - Favre or Peyton

favre just had one bad year at the end, and peyton it wasnt even a full year. they were a lot of greats that just died but still hung on for way too long

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:46

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Sour Diesel posted:

I've hated Peyton forever and I'm trying not to feel sorry for him.

Father time's a bitch. Dude would've had like 5 rings by now if the Colts gave a poo poo about defense or runningbacks while he was there.

they had pretty good defenses at times (notably when sanders was active), and they invested a lot in runningback there, including bringing in edge who would be a no doubt hall of famer if he didnt blow his leg out.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:52

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Sophia posted:

Since we're here talking, what do you think of the theory that Brady is going to leave at the end of the season because of how his contract is restructured

0% chance

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 01:55

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Bad Caller posted:

holy poo poo how does he have such a hot smart girlfriend that was almost an olympic gymnast

hes a super rich famous quarterback with ridiculous athleticism

also all indications are hes pretty smart despite his frankenstein-esque speaking voice

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 02:06

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Vertical Lime posted:

that reminds me, brady quinn is married to alicia sacramone

weird, you think he could do better

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 02:12

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Perpetual Ascent posted:

Manning played pretty badly but as far as how far he could heave it downfield, I was actually kind of impressed. If he decides to play another year, one can only hope he works on his touch during the offseason. The accuracy just wasn't there.

He's thrown pretty ugly balls since he came to Denver, and today's were only different in the sense that they weren't on target.

e: On the bright side though, with Del Rio likely taking the Oakland job and Gase possibly leaving as well, if Elway fires Fox (please do this, Elway) we can maybe stop having to overcome the opposing team AND our offensively bland schemes.

Firing Fox would be insane, and you are out of your loving mind if you think the problem today was an offensively bland scheme.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 02:21

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Perpetual Ascent posted:

It was one of many problems, as our coaching staff has shown time and time again that they are terrible at making adjustments in-game. You're either saying that this loss is entirely on Manning's shoulders, or that all-around, we were outplayed (especially at the QB position), and if it's the second, then how can you disagree with what I said?

The defense is stacked with studs from top to bottom. They have a few depth issues, but as far as talent is concerned, Denver is tops in the league. The fact of the matter is, in big games, their coaching staff routinely gets outcoached.

They had the exact opposite of a bland scheme today, they had a ton of long passes where the receivers got open and it resulted in a lot of incomplete passes. Manning had a bad day. It's never solely on one guy but whole new game if he can make any throw at all.

If you think that the defense is stacked with studs top to bottom than you should have a very high opinion of Fox, who would be a large part of that. And I'm just going to guess, but by big games do you mean the 3 playoff games they've lost with Manning? They did not get outcoached in the AFC title game last year, for instance, which is a really big game!

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 02:40

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Perpetual Ascent posted:

Why would I have a very high opinion of Fox because we signed Aqib Talib, Demarcus Ware, TJ Ward etc.? Where he fails as a coach is exactly that - turning talent into gains on the football field. The same applies to Del Rio. You give them all these great players, and they can't do anything with them.

Fox is great at developing players. He's great at rebuilding a football team and a culture, which is what Denver needed at the time. But in terms of in-game adjustments and drawing up a gameplan, he's just not.

Well that he developed a lot of great players, and that's a large part of why the Broncos are stacked. And of course lots of teams sign guys to big money but it doesn't work out. Fox/JDR should be given credit for doing that. I mean Denver's defense was brutal worst in the league before Fox arrived, now they're among the best in the league, and the offense only suffered with Peyton's downturn (and they still won 12 games), that should be worth a lot of credit no matter how you want to wave that off.

Perpetual Ascent posted:

No, they didn't get outcoached last year in the AFCCG. They played a Patriots team without its biggest playmaker at home. That was the difference. No question that Fox and JDR coached a better game that day than this one - I never said they were buffoons. But they're no longer the right fit for this team.

The Patriots had a really great offense even without Gronk, and the defense which looked decent for most of the season got abused. They played at home because they had a dominant 13 win season. I don't see any sane reason why they're a worse fit now than before.

Perpetual Ascent posted:

Also, yes, we've won a handful of playoff games with Manning and Fox at the helm. This is hardly surprising considering our aforementioned stacked roster and homefield advantage the past two years. When everything falls into place just so, like playing the decidedly average Chargers in the Divisional round last year, then advancing to play a hobbled New England team at Denver, they win big games. When the chips are stacked against them, they lose.

They don't win big games, except when they do, but those don't count? I don't think the Ravens loss or the loss today were poor coaching efforts, either, . This just seems like whining that they haven't won a Superbowl yet in a 3 year span.

Perpetual Ascent posted:

e: In the first half, receivers did get open downfield and Manning missed them. That was a refreshing change of pace for the offense, but aside from that little wrinkle, what else did you see out of them? And the defense?

I don't know what you think other teams do, but outside of running a trick play once in a while I don't know what you're expecting. They called a lot of good plays, they would've resulted in big gains/touchdowns if Manning could make the throw, he couldn't, now all they had left was an ok-ish running game and a lot of short passes that were getting camped on, which is hard to win with.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 03:14

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Perpetual Ascent posted:

John Fox can develop players, did develop players, and they are now well-developed players. I know that. That's why I said he was a great hire at the time, he did exactly what he needed to. He retooled this team into a contender.

In sports, it's not uncommon for a coach who builds a team over the course of a few years and gets them close to or to contender status to be fired. You hear it all the time, they needed a new coach to "get over the hump." I definitely believe Fox did his job and I give him all the credit in the world for that. But as we've seen, being able to develop players simply isn't enough. Going to the playoffs for 4 straight years is great. Going to the Super Bowl was great. Some teams hardly even sniff those things. That can't keep a team that does from making hard decisions, though.

I don't think the job of developing players ever stops and this is doubly true in the NFL where most players are on very short term contracts. The Broncos need more Chris Harris type success stories, because along with having an elite QB, getting those constant is the best way to field a contending team. If you're paying fair money for all your good players than you are not going to win the Superbowl, and the idea that the job of developing players is done seems to run counter to that. Change coaches and my guess is that defense will drop like a stone and the offense will continue to degrade unless Manning's arm is rejuvenated.

Perpetual Ascent posted:

Really great offense? Are you serious? Amendola has played great no doubt, and Edelman continues to amaze, but NE's offense without Gronk is a dumpster fire, especially when you take into consideration the looks those players see because of the defense's required focus on Gronk. The Patriots simply had nothing to work with last year, at least in terms of the rest of the playoff teams. Yes, they were still good, they made it to the AFCCG after all. But the better team won - talent prevailed. Denver didn't beat NE because Fox outcoached Belichick, that's for drat sure.

I'm talking about heading into the championship game last year, where the Patriots scored higher without Gronk than with him that season, including lighting up the Colts in the divisional round. When they beat the Broncos in the regular season (scoring 34 points) it was without Gronk. Now, obviously it's still a loss, but they compensated very well and were still among the best offenses in the league.

Perpetual Ascent posted:

I think I explained why "those don't count", though I don't remember saying they didn't count, nor do I remember saying that Denver never wins big games. Of course they do. The Ravens loss was not entirely a result of poor coaching, though poor coaching factors into most every loss for both teams so it was still a factor. Rahim Moore's gently caress up was clearly the defining reason that game.

Today's game was different. The team played like dogshit in comparison to the Ravens game, which as you remember was high-scoring and fun and fabulous. Yeah, a couple receivers had their defenders beat in the first half for big gains, maybe even TDs, but what about all the other snaps on offense? They couldn't get separation, couldn't hold onto the ball, and the offense was entirely one-dimensional as it always has been. Involving the run isn't anything new for Denver - Moreno carried as much of the load if not more than CJ did the last year he was here. Basically, the only thing that changed in Denver after the Super Bowl loss were the names on the back of the jerseys.

They called the same exact plays they always called. Even the potential big plays downfield were just plays that have been in the playbook since time immemorial but instead of taking the underneath throw on them, Manning went deep.

Varied playcalling is really about attacking different parts of the field in different ways and once Manning could not make those throws is when they became predictable. I don't think that when Denver's offense was running smooth, as it was for 2.5 years of the Manning era, that there's any concern for variety. They have receivers for every route under the sun, they mix the run in well, Manning's obvious strength with the audible makes it dangerous to guess what they're doing, and really for the most part Manning's arm has held up pretty well. And that kind of goes into another point I should've made earlier; the playcaller for Denver is not Fox, and it's not really Gates either, it's Manning. So if you have an issue with the play calls, shouldn't a lot of that be with the guy who gets final say? Also, unlike the Superbowl, I don't think Manning was at all under siege from the pass rush, he definitely had time to set up throws and for routes to develop. Plus the running game was fine today.

Perpetual Ascent posted:

Take a look at this tweet -

david r tarver ‏@dave_tarver 20 minutes ago
@OU_CoachStoops - Vontae Davis said they followed Seattle's blueprint in taking Denver's receivers out the game

Basically, Indianapolis knew exactly how to beat the Broncos going in, and the Broncos were completely unprepared for the idea that the opposing team might scheme for them the same way the Seahawks have in the past, both games in which the Seahawks won handily. And yes, I watched the rematch in the regular season - without absurd Peyton Manning heroics, it would've been a beatdown all the same. That right there should tell you all you need to know about the coaching staff.

Also, think back to that Super Bowl last year. After the game, multiple Seahawks players came out and basically said they knew everything Denver was going to do in the game. They had studied and deciphered the playcalls, the signals. When your team can only play one type of game, they aren't going to last long in the postseason.

That tweet is meaningless. It's not like teams didn't try the Seahawks strategy early in this season, or that it's a particularly novel strategy to begin with. And in the Colts case did in fact get beat on a lot of deep routes, but yeah, when you can't actually connect on those when they're wide open any sensible defense is going to take note. Every DB's going to look like Richard Sherman if you can't go down the field and all that. Your point about the rematch this year does not make much sense. The Seahawks did not win handily, and the big difference between that game and the Superbowl was that Peyton played far better which tells you... what, exactly?

# ¿ Jan 12, 2015 08:07

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