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kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true
So I think there's a fairly simple way to determine if someone would like the Johnny Karate episode (I think it may have been the absolute best of the series) or not. Ask them how much they enjoyed Community.

It was absolutely an episode that Community would have tried and I thought it was pretty brilliant. I would not be surprised to learn that Dan Harmon had been consulted for how to pull it off.

The rest of the people that didn't like it, I'll just chalk up to being goons.

I also thought 2 funerals was very meh. Having A, B, and C plots caused each of them to feel rushed and pretty silly. The mayoral search was a good way to throw in some last minute cameos of townsfolk, and having such a scattered, meh episode turn out to be Garry's farewell episode all along was actually appropriate for the character. But I can't tell which plot was supposed to be dominant. Tom Haverford's proposal felt like A-plot material, with C-plot execution. While Ron's seemed like it had A-plot billing with side-bar content. I would find that a shame if that episode was intended to be farewells to all of Ron, Tom, and Garry.

2 episodes left.


(Sorry for any overuse of spoiler. Didn't want to offend anyone as a newcomer to the thread.)

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kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true
e: ^^^ bah, that must have just gone up! When I started it about 9:30, the producer's cut wasn't an option!


I'll admit, I cried a bit. I thought it was the perfect way to end such an optimistic show.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true

Allison Brie out of nowhere. Must have shot the promo around the time they were filming Kings of Summer (which is a much better Nick Offerman indie film).

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true
I saw a nice explanation for Leslie's mother's lack of presence in the later seasons (aside from the obvious can't get the actor thing) that the earlier seasons were about Leslie finding her way in politics within her mother's shadow. Her mother wasn't useful to the show anymore once Leslie came into her own and surpassed her mother's triumphs.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true

CaptainHollywood posted:

I don't think I can remember a comedy (or any show really excl. Breaking Bad), where the characters really grew season to season. It was ATTEMPTED with How I Met Your Mother, but the characters would reset to zero and learn nothing from their successes/failures. Some characters like Jean-Ralphio didn't really learn/grow, but it was really all about the 'core' that mattered. Tom's multiple failed businesses never felt like the show was repeating itself.

They tried some character growth with Community (and in some aspects it was working). They even had characters going the opposite direction that you normally see, moving from decent, if off-putting, to all around spiteful.

The character changes on Scrubs moved at a glacial pace, but the core characters did grow up some over the course of 7ish seasons.

I don't actually remember enough about the classic sit coms of the 90's to pick any of those...

Also, Chuck had a good amount of character growth from all of their core over 5 seasons. That show's sorta a comedy. Still call it the most underrated series of the last decade.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true

Cart posted:

God that show fell off a cliff hard after season 3. And that's being lenient to Superman. Went from being one of my favourite shows to one I wasn't even able to finish watching.

Different strokes. Season 5 was my favorite.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true

Android Blues posted:

Baldwin is like, this almost parodically right-wing guy who does things like speak out against the Muppets for teaching socialist values. It's rough.

At this point, I think he's simply a parody of himself. He's the Baldwin that's "not one of those Baldwins".

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true
Just watched the finale again (producer's cut). Just cried again.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true
No mention for Scrubs? One of the greatest and has some of that unabashed optimism of later seasons of parks.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true

Nate RFB posted:

The first four seasons would work well enough. It did get pretty mediocre after that for a very long stretch until the 8th though.

It did have a few seasons being formulaic, that is true. 8th season was a good way to end it.


codenameFANGIO posted:

Scrubs is bad.

Oh, right, I forgot, this is SA TVIV where people hold terrible, strong opinions about things.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true

Argue posted:

I also mentioned Chuck earlier, which is not actually a sitcom, but if you asked me what the most feel-good show I knew was, I'd answer with this. Even at its worst (a couple of eps of season 4) it was still a show where all the characters ultimately loved each other. The cast had solid chemistry--for the most part they were likable characters you'd want to hang out with--and the show was full of heart without being overly saccharine.

Yay, Chuck is back in the conversation. And no one ruin it this time with talk of Adam Baldwin being a crazy right winger or Zachary Levi trying to save everyone.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true

FELD1 posted:

I'd like to add 'Derek' to the list of recommendations. It's done by Ricky Gervais and shot in the documentary style; the characters are very sweet and there are some very heartwarming moments too. Also of note, the dude from 'Idiot Abroad' is a character in the first season and he's hilarious.

Good suggestion. It's got a bit of that Ricky Gervais awkwardness to it, but this time it's not actually coming from Gervais. Very interesting show.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true
After watching the first few episodes, Kimmy Schmidt is a great choice for those missing 30 Rock and, to a lesser extent, Parks & Rec.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true
season 7 was near perfect. The final episodes were perfect. Everything you want out of a parks and rec finale. 6 was still good television.

kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true

The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

As long as it is bumped, everyone who liked parks and rec should marathon The Good Place.

Like, right now go and watch it.

:agreed:

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kayakyakr
Feb 16, 2004

Kayak is true
I think the good place had a really strong concept and a short-season order and they absolutely executed on it. I'm struggling to think of a show that disproves the postulation earlier that it's the strongest first season since Arrested Development. The only one for me that comes close is Community Season 1, which was at times up and down but was solid overall, and included one of the greatest all-time comedy episodes.

I would say that The Good Place executed its concept better. I don't know if I had as many laugh-out-loud moments during my marathon of season 1, but it was a stronger overall season.

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