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I abstain from all of the most common drugs I can think of for a variety of reasons. At the base though, it's related to my panic disorder. If something makes me panic when I use it, you bet your buns I won't be doing it again. I have had alcohol, I did smoke, and I've enjoyed caffeine in the past but none of those things are worth panicking nonstop for 6-8 hrs. Nothing makes cold turkey easy like being terrified of it. I'm someone with an addictive personality, I can't enjoy something without going hog-wild on it. So when I smoked, I was already at the point of wishing I could quit but being unable to do so because I'd want it again in the morning. However I was able to drop it entirely thanks to a series of panic attacks that pretty much decimated my life for several months. So I feel like even though panic is the worst feeling, at least it's forced me to make some healthy strides. When I stopped smoking, I coughed up black poo poo for a solid week and that's some good evidence for why it was a bad idea in the first place. Mostly I smoked because I was handling my stress badly. Now I get enough sleep and lots of exercise which works the same way to relax me as smoking did. My relationship with alcohol was tenuous before I got shitfaced one time and it began to scare me. I can't have anything which is malted or made with wheat (gluten problems) anyway so my selection was cut way short. I liked soy vodka, Kaluha, and really expensive whisky and honestly even if I could have had other things, I mostly think alcohol tastes like rear end. The smell of beer or wine makes me gag, has my entire life. And it's not like my parents didn't enjoy alcohol responsibly, you'd think at some point I'd have grown out of it but 99% of alcohols disgust me. When I became scared of getting hosed up again, it just stopped me from enjoying three things. However in retrospect, alcohol being expensive and high in calories, I'd be a lot poorer and a lot fatter if I enjoyed it. I get nervous when it's added to food now though, which is the only annoying part. I did enjoy a liquor truffle I made this Christmas without freaking out so maybe I'm at least making strides to enjoy alcoholic desserts. Mostly I miss caffeine, just being able to enjoy a coke every now and then or access my massive stash of good black tea. Decaf coffee and tea isn't the worst thing in the world but the flavors are so much richer in the caffeinated versions. I'm also going to be looking forward to probably working nights in a few months and without caffeine to boost me through 4am, it's a struggle sometimes. However when I even enjoy a cup of black tea it makes me really antsy. Not being able to have caffeine also forces me to get enough sleep, which is a good thing. In the end, I'm really glad I could stop indulging in these substance even if it was never my intention at the time. I feel like I'm probably a lot healthier for it and I have a lot more money saved up since I'm not spending it on unnecessary consumables.
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I used to use a lot of hard drugs like meth, heroin, prescription opiates and stimulants, and (to a much lesser degree) cocaine for years and , but not anymore. I was an addict, and I'll skip all that poo poo since my story is like any other. However when I first quit, I quit cigarettes, weed, alcohol, AND the rest. I didn't quit them because I was afraid that a beer or a bowl of weed would send me over the edge, but more because it was important to me to become familiar with my baseline state. My basic sober self had become something to retreat from, and when I realized that I needed to be basically comfortable there in order to survive in the long term, I did my best to immerse myself. It's no longer the same. I drink and smoke moderately, but whenever I come across people doing coke, or whatever powders stupid kids feel like snorting, I'm out of place. For me, the feeling is "meh." Been-there-done-that. For people that are saying "it never was as fun as I'd seen it portrayed" in regards to moderate alcohol intake, I get this overwhelming impression that they're expecting alcohol to either: A) make them social superstars B) make them uncontrollably euphoric C) make them stupid and sick D) make them absolutely forget everything or a combination of any of those. It seems like people make alcohol (or any other drug) more than what it is, and when they can't achieve that, it becomes a waste of time. This isn't bad, or even inaccurate for many people, but that's what I've seen among non-addict teetotalers. Ymmv. Also I'm three years clean from all but beers and bowls. 12 steppers can suck it.
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KillHour posted:I mentally replaced chocolate with jizz in this post. Makes you think (that you probably shouldn't spike your roommate's food, you shithead). I didn't spike food, I made food without fully explaining what went into making it. And found out that her aversion to chocolate was just a psychological hang-up or sheer pretension, which is pretty interesting. Robbing people of their retarded agency is hilarious. I don't see any reason why I should respect a decision like that, no more so than an infant declaring they'll never eat broccoli ever ever ever. She obviously liked chocolate but made a huge song and dance about disliking it and refusing any food that it was in, not for any medical or personal reason, but because she didn't "like the taste".
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Feb 4, 2015 11:08
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Jeza posted:Robbing people of their retarded agency is hilarious. Sayeth the puppetmaster 
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Feb 4, 2015 11:20
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Jeza posted:I didn't spike food, I made food without fully explaining what went into making it. And found out that her aversion to chocolate was just a psychological hang-up or sheer pretension, which is pretty interesting. Robbing people of their retarded agency is hilarious. I don't see any reason why I should respect a decision like that, no more so than an infant declaring they'll never eat broccoli ever ever ever. She obviously liked chocolate but made a huge song and dance about disliking it and refusing any food that it was in, not for any medical or personal reason, but because she didn't "like the taste". My parents did the same thing with Pumpkin, and now I like Pumpkin. It's not like Jeza did anything different to what parents do with kids.
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JibbaJabberwocky posted:Mostly I miss caffeine, just being able to enjoy a coke every now and then or access my massive stash of good black tea. Decaf coffee and tea isn't the worst thing in the world but the flavors are so much richer in the caffeinated versions. I'm also going to be looking forward to probably working nights in a few months and without caffeine to boost me through 4am, it's a struggle sometimes. However when I even enjoy a cup of black tea it makes me really antsy. Not being able to have caffeine also forces me to get enough sleep, which is a good thing. That's interesting. With the modern super strong weed strains and vaporizers and high tech bongs, I've heard a lot more people complain about getting panic attacks from smoking weed in the past few years, but most of them seem to still continue on smoking fairly regularly and try to not smoke enough to trigger that. With caffeine, do you find that the antsyness gets less pronounced if you have, say, a cuppa every morning instead of just sporadically?
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Feb 4, 2015 13:01
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Sockmuppet posted:Sayeth the puppetmaster Ive been slowly making my posts more objectionable, knowing that soon you would post Sockmuppet. Soon you will learn to like them.
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I abstain from organised gambling. I'll pitch in for a charity raffle or I might take part in the office Melbourne Cup festivities to be social, but I have never bought a lottery ticket or played pokies because I can't stand the gambling industry. I am completely convinced that it is one of the scummiest industries around, given that there have been studies that show that these companies make the majority of their profits off a minority of problem gamblers. What makes this worse is the fact that these industries tend to set up shop in some of the most disadvantaged areas and make the most profit there. To quote a piece from The Conversation:quote:In the western Sydney local government area of Fairfield, for example, which is among the poorest 12% of local government areas in Australia, each adult resident lost an average of A$2340 on the pokies in 2010-11. Across the harbour in Ku-ring-gai and Willoughby, whose residents are among the richest 6% in Australia, poker machine losses were just $270 per adult. In fact, a band here wrote a song called 'Blow Up The Pokies' after a member of theirs completed suicide because he lost a fortnights pay to the slot machines. TL;DR I don't hate gambling itself, I just hate the industry.
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Feb 4, 2015 17:20
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froglet posted:TL;DR I don't hate gambling itself, I just hate the industry. Lottery tickets are just stupid and boring, and I agree with you about VLTs (I believe that's the Albertan word for pokies) and slot machines in general, but do you feel the same way about casinos that run poker and table games? I see a big difference between that and putting a machine in the back of a bar somewhere.
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Feb 4, 2015 17:57
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I didn't drink for a long time because I was a self-righteous prick who had thoughts like 'I don't need to drink to have a good time.' I didn't understand why you'd do something that 'just makes you stupid.' I tried it once when I was fourteen and then never again til I was 21. Now two years later it's 10:15 AM and there's an open bottle of Jameson on my desk. What great strides I've made.
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Feb 4, 2015 18:18
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PT6A posted:Lottery tickets are just stupid and boring, and I agree with you about VLTs (I believe that's the Albertan word for pokies) and slot machines in general, but do you feel the same way about casinos that run poker and table games? I see a big difference between that and putting a machine in the back of a bar somewhere. I don't see it as any different. A friend of mine worked at the casino dealing cards, and the stories he told me make me think there is little difference.
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Cocaine killed my father, and I know he was a fan of speedballs. Interestingly both Heroin and Cocaine are the only drugs I tried once/twice and then never touched again. This was the case even before I knew that Cocaine killed my father, but now I've actually got a good reason for it.
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I drink about maybe once or twice a month and even then its only a bit. Why? Mostly because I don't like the taste of much stuff. I don't like the majority of beers I have, even though even the semi bad ones taste great when its hot as gently caress out side. I usually will mix the few I like with clamato. If I have one I like I will have maybe a bottle or two of it that night then just get tired of it. I love the taste of a good whiskey though and will sip on a shot every now and then. As for drugs I like weed and enjoyed doing it every friday when I had a job where I could get away with smoking but sense then I haven't touched it. If my state was a medical state I think I would do it but I can live with out it easily. I tried coke a couple of times and liked it but I wont touch it just because of where it comes from. For some reason pain killers of all sorts don't even work on me so I can't indulge in those. The only one that ever did anything was a morphine drip and that poo poo was crazy, I remember watching a movie for the first time in the hospital and then again the next day and was so zonked out of my mind the movie was brand new to me again. I don't feel that I am better then any one else about that stuff, I just honestly get bored after a while of doing it. Its great for the couple of days I enjoy it but after that I just kind of lose the desire for it. In a way it sucks because my wifes side of the family are all heavy drinkers and I can't really get into it with them. I do have to say I am a adrenaline junky. Anything that gets my hear racing even if its dangerous I loving love it. Almost in a car crash? loving awesome feeling. Going and racing cars on one of those tracks where you can let loose with what ever hunk of junk you are driving or renting a sports car? loving awesome. Shooting guns and blowing poo poo up? Can't get enough of it. Wake boarding, jet skies anything that goes fast over water? gently caress yeah sign me up.
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Jeza posted:I love the swaddling of bullshit some people wrap around their reasons for being teetotal. 90% of the time they are just perpetuating some half-baked decision they made as a child or teenager that they've kept up so long that it's developed into a kind of aggrandised mythology that they have to keep up. Wait. Whats it matter what their bullshit reasons might be? Is there a good reason to drink alcohol at all?
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I'm far from a teetotaler, but I can easily go weeks without any alcohol, and months between being drunk. I like the buzz, in the right setting, with the right people, but it makes me tired and unproductive the following day at best, or gives me hangovers that could kill a horse at worst. Having a 9-5 means that days off are a scarce resource, and I'd really rather not spend one of the two days having a headache and eating junk. I think I've had three drinks so far in 2015. Finally, I often take my car, and I've always found the point of drinking (letting go, relaxing) and the point of driving (having to be as alert and concentrated as possible) to be at odds with each other. Have one beer, and now you're a worse driver as well as improperly drunk. That said, I do love me a good craft beer (even brewed myself at one point) or a very good red wine. Certain scotches and rums also really tickle my fancy. If someone offered me a million bucks on the condition I could never drink again, I'd take it in a heartbeat. $10k... I'd probably pick the ability to enjoy a good beer once in a while.  A few drinks can be an awesome social lubricant, though, especially in a dating scenario.
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Konomex posted:
Wine, and to a lesser extent, high quality beer, enhances the flavours of food you're eating if you pair them correctly. That's the only "good" reason I can think of, assuming you're not in it for the intoxication.
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Konomex posted:Wait. Whats it matter what their bullshit reasons might be? Is there a good reason to drink alcohol at all? Good question. Alcohol in its many forms is the most highly storied and varied kind of drink in the world. It is a gigantic part of not just Western culture, but just about any culture that ever managed to leave a bunch of vegetables for way too long. It has a great deal of significance in social rituals, be that champagne at weddings, hospitality to guests, dating, meals, as an excuse to meet up with friends etc. There are more forms and tastes of alcohol than a person will ever be able to try in their entire lives, so by shunning it without thinking you are shutting yourself off from a pretty cool chapter of food & drink, plus a whole load of interesting experiences that tend only to happen when alcohol is in the the mix. I'm not going to sit here and say there's an objectively good reason to drink alcohol. But I don't see an objectively good reason to do anything at all. In my opinion, it makes you an idiot if the reasons you are shutting yourself off from alcohol are trivial or based on irrational prejudice. So I would urge people to think carefully on rejecting it entirely. Something that interested me for a long time is whether an acquired taste is a form of self-delusion, and I do think many forms of alcohol are acquired tastes. I wondered whether if you don't like something on the first try, and you end up liking it by forcing yourself to eat/drink it, how valid is your claim to 'like' it? Why don't we all just drink sugary fruit cocktails? Why would anybody drink single malt whisky when pretty universally people don't like it on a first pass? Fancy cheese, unsweetened chocolate, coffee are all things I'd put in that boat too. In the end, I now feel that acquired tastes are often the most worthwhile. They have a complexity of flavour that rewards the patient, rather than those who try it once then forswear it from then onwards. I respect people who give something a fair shake of the dice before rejecting it. I don't respect people who have knee-jerk reactions, then post-rationalise their decision ad vitam aeternam.
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Yeah, well...... Scooby Doo can do-do, but Jimmy Carter is smarter.
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I get drunk like maybe once or twice a year and its okay but the reason I don't do it more is: a. its loving expensive and b. I don't feel the urge to get smashed all the time because I like having a clear mind. I also have never done drugs for mostly the same reasons.
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Jeza posted:Fancy cheese, unsweetened chocolate, coffee are all things I'd put in that boat too. In the end, I now feel that acquired tastes are often the most worthwhile. They have a complexity of flavour that rewards the patient, rather than those who try it once then forswear it from then onwards. I respect people who give something a fair shake of the dice before rejecting it. I don't respect people who have knee-jerk reactions, then post-rationalise their decision ad vitam aeternam. Good lord, this is even more pretentious than the barefooting guy. Also, what's an acquired taste varies from person to person. Soda was an acquired taste for me--I hated that poo poo in any flavor when I was little, particularly cola. I made myself drink it because I was socialized to think it was supposed to be a cool treat, and eventually it grew on me. Now
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My mom went from 1 cigarette a day to 2 and a half packs a day in a month (my dad made her quit). I can't even eat chocolate for a sustained period of time without feeling a need to shove more down my throat even when I don't really want it. So I just don't do anything remotely addictive if I can help it. It seems pretty likely I'd end up in a pretty lovely tailspin.
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Gabriel Pope posted:Good lord, this is even more pretentious than the barefooting guy. In America soda is the height of refinement, so I sympathise with your natural handicap in these matters
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:My mom went from 1 cigarette a day to 2 and a half packs a day in a month (my dad made her quit). I can't even eat chocolate for a sustained period of time without feeling a need to shove more down my throat even when I don't really want it. So I just don't do anything remotely addictive if I can help it. It seems pretty likely I'd end up in a pretty lovely tailspin. Is there anything Fluffy Bunnies can do like a normal person? 
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Arnold of Soissons posted:Is there anything Fluffy Bunnies can do like a normal person?  Because avoiding addictive stuff when you're aware you could get easily addicted to it is a bad thing?
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I meant not being able to have chocolate without uncontrollable binging. Truthfully most people don't find chocolate addictive, even so called "choco-holics"
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Arnold of Soissons posted:I meant not being able to have chocolate without uncontrollable binging. Truthfully most people don't find chocolate addictive, even so called "choco-holics" I'm not being serious, dude.
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Jeza posted:Good question. Alcohol in its many forms is the most highly storied and varied kind of drink in the world. It is a gigantic part of not just Western culture, but just about any culture that ever managed to leave a bunch of vegetables for way too long. It has a great deal of significance in social rituals, be that champagne at weddings, hospitality to guests, dating, meals, as an excuse to meet up with friends etc. There are more forms and tastes of alcohol than a person will ever be able to try in their entire lives, so by shunning it without thinking you are shutting yourself off from a pretty cool chapter of food & drink, plus a whole load of interesting experiences that tend only to happen when alcohol is in the the mix. The only thing worse than a holier-than-thou teetotaler are the people who wont drop it when someone says they dont drink. People post about how their whole family are alcoholics or they drank for half a decade and still didnt like it. Fuckin weenies and their knee-jerk reactions am I right?  Maybe you shouldnt have knee-jerk reactions to people's posts. KoB fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Feb 7, 2015 |
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KoB posted:The only thing worse than a holier-than-thou teetotaler are the people who wont drop it when someone says they dont drink. Glad to see that you consider recovering alcoholics or people who have family trauma related to alcohol as "trivial or irrational". Or maybe you were so desperate to get mad you forgot how to read? I also love the devastating finisher where you call my post knee jerk, when in fact I'm just answering a question...like a normal person. I haven't gotten on anybody's case in this thread at all. Stick to anime and videogames - your reading comprehension won't get so tested.
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Jeza posted:Glad to see that you consider recovering alcoholics or people who have family trauma related to alcohol as "trivial or irrational". Or maybe you were so desperate to get mad you forgot how to read? I also love the devastating finisher where you call my post knee jerk, when in fact I'm just answering a question...like a normal person. I haven't gotten on anybody's case in this thread at all. Stick to anime and videogames - your reading comprehension won't get so tested. Please post more creepy stories about how you secretly fed your roommate something she stated she didn't want but you knew better.
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BobbyK posted:Please post more creepy stories about how you secretly fed your roommate something she stated she didn't want but you knew better. Because not explicitly telling someone that something has chocolate in it = rape
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No, it's obviously not rape. It's just a real weird thing to do then brag about.
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BobbyK posted:No, it's obviously not rape. It's just a real weird thing to do then brag about. I mean, you're obviously thinking in your mind that I was secretly jerking off under the table as I force fed her food poisoned with chocolate, as is that is my fetish. You're right. Girls shoving fad wads of chocolate cake down their faces when in fact it is red velvet cake makes me harder than granite, and I make no apology for that fact. As a chocolate hating harpy she had it coming.
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Jeza posted:I mean, you're obviously thinking in your mind that I was secretly jerking off under the table as I force fed her food poisoned with chocolate, as is that is my fetish. You're right. Girls shoving fad wads of chocolate cake down their faces when in fact it is red velvet cake makes me harder than granite, and I make no apology for that fact. As a chocolate hating harpy she had it coming. You're a dumbass for slipping people food they didn't want. Obviously in this case she was just a douchebag about chocolate, but you're the same kind of rear end in a top hat who tells someone with sincere allergies at a restaurant to just pick off the allergy-causing thing or lies about it being in the recipe and smirks if they don't have a reaction. You did a really lovely and stupid thing to someone who trusted you and strutted about it virtually like the dickhead you are. If somebody doesn't want a type of food it isn't your spergtastic responsibility to get it down their throat secretly just because you think it'll be awesome for them/ironic for you (or whatever thought went through your insufficiently productive brain). The fact that people have to tell you this says a lot about how retarded you have to be to do this.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:You're a dumbass for slipping people food they didn't want. Obviously in this case she was just a douchebag about chocolate, but you're the same kind of rear end in a top hat who tells someone with sincere allergies at a restaurant to just pick off the allergy-causing thing or lies about it being in the recipe and smirks if they don't have a reaction. You did a really lovely and stupid thing to someone who trusted you and strutted about it virtually like the dickhead you are. If somebody doesn't want a type of food it isn't your spergtastic responsibility to get it down their throat secretly just because you think it'll be awesome for them/ironic for you (or whatever thought went through your insufficiently productive brain). lmao wait till you hear about the time I spiked my teetotal friend's drinks with vodka
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buncha dweebs down here in a/t. You ain't seen comedy till you see a kid's throat close up while he fumbles desperately for the epipen you stole from his fannypack
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Jeza posted:lmao wait till you hear about the time I spiked my teetotal friend's drinks with vodka Great job, that's how you get innocent people arrested for DUI's when they try to go to home because they don't feel well and have no idea why. Tbqh I'm pretty surprised you have anybody around who considers you a friend.
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Just because your lovely actions donīt have bad consequences doesnīt mean they arenīt lovely.
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Gabriel Pope posted:Good lord, this is even more pretentious than the barefooting guy. When I was in high school one of my dads friends told me that he didn't like beer until he was doing construction. He'd been working all day and it was hotter than a hookers rear end after the rodeo. Anyhow, it was lunchtime and one of his coworkers gave him an ice cold beer. And drat if that wasn't the best drink he'd ever had in his life. Same thing happened to me. Sometimes the right situation can make something fun.
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Bitter Mushroom posted:nerds itt I wondered what the hell when I saw the OP, I know he's a poo poo-stirrer. Then I considered what he had done and realised this could be the greatest goons.txt ever.
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