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Brad Jones took on American Sniper. Given that he doesn't know much about the subject of the movie, he's doing that "This is not political at all so I'll just see this as a movie" view. It's not really a "gently caress this guy for doing this" but more of a "I've been kinda expecting this for this sort of group, but if you wanna a view of the movie that isn't gonna talk about whatever can be experienced without knowing anything at all other than the movie itself there ya go" sorta thing. Kunster fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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What exactly is the controversy around the American Sniper anyway? I saw Seth Rogan made a tweet and Sara Palin was being Sara Palin, but what's the actual controversy? Other than, you know, support R troop vs. cowardly not support R troop.
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The subject matter is a horrible, horrible person, and the movie was based on a shoddy biography. Brad has a point on the sense that the movie is alright if you go with it not aware of poo poo at all (or just don't care about it) about the subject matter itself tho. (Which makes me want to give him a slap over the head over him freaking about the Interview getting a temporary halt on the release which made every imbecile on the US see this as North Korea stopping the movie from getting released.) Kunster fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Gyges posted:What exactly is the controversy around the American Sniper anyway? I saw Seth Rogan made a tweet and Sara Palin was being Sara Palin, but what's the actual controversy? Other than, you know, support R troop vs. cowardly not support R troop. IIRC the guy in the movie is Captain America and John Wayne ' s lovechild. The guy IRL is a racist shitbag. Also a bunch of guys saw the movie and all went "Yeah! Kill all Muslims! That movie rocks!". Did you know that the favorite movie listed among EDL/BNP/National Front types over here is "This is England". This whole thing reminds me of that little factoid.
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Mostly it's because the guy the movie somewhat glorifies and paints as sympathetic was by many first person accounts an rear end in a top hat and possible sociopath who loved killing. But he had a wife and family and was the victim of a random shooting after being discharged which is pretty awful.
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KayTee posted:IIRC the guy in the movie is Captain America and John Wayne ' s lovechild. The guy IRL is a racist shitbag. Weird, dude in the move was shown as a pretty big dick and an odd mix of naivete and racism. Like, the only time the guy is actually good is when he's pleading with the air for a kid not to pick up an RPG and about 5 minutes before the end when he tries to help wounded veterans. Otherwise the movie is pretty clear that he starts as kind of an rear end in a top hat with a 'Merica chip on his shoulder and is then given the super mellowing treatment of PTSD. They even directly parallel his actions with those of an Al Quada sniper throughout the film.
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Gyges posted:Weird, dude in the move was shown as a pretty big dick and an odd mix of naivete and racism. Like, the only time the guy is actually good is when he's pleading with the air for a kid not to pick up an RPG and about 5 minutes before the end when he tries to help wounded veterans. Otherwise the movie is pretty clear that he starts as kind of an rear end in a top hat with a 'Merica chip on his shoulder and is then given the super mellowing treatment of PTSD. They even directly parallel his actions with those of an Al Quada sniper throughout the film. If you think the core audience for this film is going to see anything much beyond "Kill the forrins" then I've got some depressing news for you: Humans are poo poo and also dumb.
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The problem with American Sniper is that it's IRL Stolz Der Nation
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If that part about him just up and going to New Orleans and shooting Katrina victims who were looting stores is true, then HOLY gently caress  .And this movie is #1 at the box office right now too...
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nine-gear crow posted:And this movie is #1 at the box office right now too... You realize it's a really garbage time for movies right now right? Like, what else is there to see? Most of the people who have seen the movie from what I've heard say it in know way turns him into "AMURICAN BADASS", it kinda seems like a bunch of people who haven't seen it making assumptions based on trailers and idiots who see any movie with soldiers in modern war going "HELL YEAH, I NEVER KNEW HOW EVIL THOSE PEOPLE WE'RE FIGHTING ARE". I'm almost certain a pretty obvious anti-war movie was made a while back that had people unironically making those same kinds of tweets. OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:You realize it's a really garbage time for movies right now right? Like, what else is there to see? gently caress You, It's January! really does bring out the very best in people, doesn't it?
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nine-gear crow posted:If that part about him just up and going to New Orleans and shooting Katrina victims who were looting stores is true, then HOLY gently caress Good news: it almost certainly didn't happen. He also had a tall tale about shooting two guys at a gas station, but that the police report was swept under the rug by the Pentagon. Honestly, I'm not entirely sure what to feel about the guy. Dude kept running around saying some pretty horrible poo poo, but he was also clearly suffering from some pretty severe PTSD and who the hell knows how that could have affected his judgement. OldTennisCourt posted:it kinda seems like a bunch of people who haven't seen it making assumptions based on trailers and idiots who see any movie with soldiers in modern war going "HELL YEAH, I NEVER KNEW HOW EVIL THOSE PEOPLE WE'RE FIGHTING ARE". I haven't seen American Sniper, but this seems pretty spot-on. For the second point, you might be thinking of The Hurt Locker?
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KayTee posted:If you think the core audience for this film is going to see anything much beyond "Kill the forrins" then I've got some depressing news for you: Humans are poo poo and also dumb. The movie is literally about how doing this super fucks you up. I think there's one character who is present throughout the guy's tours who doesn't get killed, maimed, or appear to suffer from PTSD. This isn't a movie you come out of singing the Star Spangled Banner, unless you're, like, super hosed up. It at best will make you feel bad for all our soldiers who were wrecked by this. There's a guy literally missing his balls from the war. I understand that the real guy this is based on is a lovely dude, but it's not like they made him look all that good in the movie. Tragic is the best you're going to come out of this thinking.
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Gyges posted:I understand that the real guy this is based on is a lovely dude, but it's not like they made him look all that good in the movie. Tragic is the best you're going to come out of this thinking. You may also come away from the film with "what a boring slushpile of barely-directed nothing," but you know, Clint Eastwood movie. Politically it definitely has a cornfed down-home "god bless america" vibe to it, though. It's not creepy or anything, the movie's mostly just dull, but it's definitely aimed more at jerking off the red states than it is actually analyzing war traumas. More "these poor good old boys" with a heavy side of "what brown people? poor veterans." Which yeah, definitely poor veterans, but not at the expense of the issue's complexity, which the movie definitely um..."expends" in favor of old-white-dude-pleasing-filmmaking. Jay O fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Gyges posted:The movie is literally about how doing this super fucks you up. I think there's one character who is present throughout the guy's tours who doesn't get killed, maimed, or appear to suffer from PTSD. This isn't a movie you come out of singing the Star Spangled Banner, unless you're, like, super hosed up. It at best will make you feel bad for all our soldiers who were wrecked by this. There's a guy literally missing his balls from the war. I still stand by saying that if you want to see one of the most hosed up war movies of all time watch Come and See but that's a bit of a topic for another thread, really. I think the thing is a lot of people have probably made up their mind about the film without even seeing it. I know my mother basically already has based on what Fox news told her to think about it 
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Tracula posted:I still stand by saying that if you want to see one of the most hosed up war movies of all time watch Come and See but that's a bit of a topic for another thread, really. I think the thing is a lot of people have probably made up their mind about the film without even seeing it. I know my mother basically already has based on what Fox news told her to think about it Why does i feel like i am the only person in this thread where my parents are not watching fox news, i know folks but out family try not to talk to them in any politics. i feel like i am not aloud to post on the internet without having a crazy conservative family sometimes. also on the subject of brad, he and jake posted their worst movie list (on patron atm it was put up with a bunch of other videos to be droped when he is gone this weekend) with brain, dave and Sarah on their worst after magfest. i am sure they will all have the same number 1. EDIT: on the subject of the movie, the only politacl person i heard talking about this film is Michael moore who sounded like a nerd raging about getting killed by snipers over and over on team fortress. Cyron fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Cyron posted:also on the subject of brad, he and jake posted their worst movie list (on patron atm it was put up with a bunch of other videos to be droped when he is gone this weekend) with brain, dave and Sarah on their worst after magfest. i am sure they will all have the same number 1. Saving Christmas is going to be one of those movies that Brad will never shut up about, and god-willing he never does. Here's hoping for a 2015 chock full of bizarre Christian movies for him to review.
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nine-gear crow posted:Saving Christmas is going to be one of those movies that Brad will never shut up about, and god-willing he never does. i hope he don't, he also had a funny fan theory in the video where he thinks kirk been trolling everyone for years. but i do like brad reviews of Christian films and videos due to he don't poo poo on everyone with fate, just the folks who are being cunts with theirs. Cyron fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Cyron posted:i hope he don't, he also had a funny fan theory in the video where he thinks kirk been trolling everyone for years. It'd be nice, but no he's been this way since late in Growing Pains. After his conversion, he basically forced the producers to fire the actress playing his fiance just before a wedding episode because she'd been in Playboy and he thought that having her on the show was akin to the show promoting pornography. They had to do a last-minute rewrite as her leaving him at the altar.
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Does Clint even direct his own movies anymore? I get the feeling he just sends his second unit off to go do the "one take and we're done" thing, taps his piano a few times to "record" a soundtrack, and calls it a day. And then he rakes in the Oscar nominations because The Academy is a bigger lemon party than the actual Lemon Party. I can't even remember the last Clint movie that felt like he was trying. Million Dollar Baby?
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OldTennisCourt posted:You realize it's a really garbage time for movies right now right? Like, what else is there to see? There's a huge difference between "technically" #1 like Nightcrawler was with 10 million dollars, and American Sniper which is making close to 100 in its opening day.
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Yeah, American Sniper is breaking all kinds of box-office records, you can't blame performance that good on "well it's January".
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Idran posted:It'd be nice, but no he's been this way since late in Growing Pains. After his conversion, he basically forced the producers to fire the actress playing his fiance just before a wedding episode because she'd been in Playboy and he thought that having her on the show was akin to the show promoting pornography. They had to do a last-minute rewrite as her leaving him at the altar. I know that, it was just a fun little joke.
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War on Terror is the new Holocaust as far as movies go.
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I think the sequels make everyone forget how important the first Matrix was - it pretty much set the benchmark for actions films after the 1990s, and still holds up. Just ignore the sequels. I saw American Sniper today - I don't think it's massively pro-war. It's not a balantly anti-war film like, say Full Metal Jacket, but a major point seemed to be "these guys are in way over their heads". It's like The Hurt Locker, where its not so much a political statement on the war as it is showing what horrible effects this kind of trauma has on the indivduals who for whatever reason, signed up. That, and it seemed like Clint Eastwood was taking pointers from Kathryn Bigelow's style. It definatly shows that combat is a bad thing - the controversy is more how true to the real story the film is. When you depict something as controversial and dividing as the war on terror, people are going to have issues - The War on Terror is a pretty popular topic in film academica for that reason alone. If you do want to see a balant HOO-RAH unbashed jingoism movie, watch Acts of Valour. Or rather, don't because that film is terrible and is literal advertising for the US Army. American Sniper is much better. I think a bit sticking point is the title - "American" Sniper has certain connotations. But the people coming out of it going "WAR IS AWESOME!!!" are missing the point. It's largely about PTSD, even though it doesn't cover the subject as indepth as it could. It's a different kind of controvers to Zero Dark Thirty, where people accused that film of glorifying torture (the whole point of that film is TORTURE IS BAD), whereas American Sniper is more about the behaviour of an indidvual, rather than an adminstration. Eastwood isn't massively political - he's conserative, yes, but not Republican iirc, so it's not a film thats apologising for Bush and what happened under his watch. Contorversy aside, Bradley Cooper is excellent in it though, it's worth seeing it for his performance. And to tie it all back, I really like Lupa's new set. It has a cool neo-80s feel to it. OldMemes fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Tae posted:There's a huge difference between "technically" #1 like Nightcrawler was with 10 million dollars, and American Sniper which is making close to 100 in its opening day. How many people research a film before seeing it? Like, what percentage of people aren't seeing Bradley Cooper, a war movie, Clint Eastwood, TRUE STORY and making their decision off that? It seems a little unfair to decide what people think of the movie based solely off their ticket purchase. It's not like this is A Haunted House.
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Benne posted:Does Clint even direct his own movies anymore? I get the feeling he just sends his second unit off to go do the "one take and we're done" thing, taps his piano a few times to "record" a soundtrack, and calls it a day.
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Jay O posted:You may also come away from the film with "what a boring slushpile of barely-directed nothing," but you know, Clint Eastwood movie. JayO, I'm telling you this cuz you're my postin pal and fellow Correct-Opinion-on-FMAB- Haver, you could not possibly come off as more of an arrogant blowhard in this post if you signed it Of SCIENCE!!!
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OldMemes posted:I saw American Sniper today - I don't think it's massively pro-war. The impression I got of the complaints wasn't so much about it being pro-war (although that was part of it), it was about the fact that the movie takes a real-life kill-happy racist shitheel and portrays him as this conflicted, sympathetic soul, when in fact he wasn't conflicted at all. This was what I was reading before: https://storify.com/RaniaKhalek/american-sniper-chris-kyle-in-his-own-words and it has a bunch of excerpts from his book, with stuff like him saying "I loved what I did", "It was fun", and "The bullet went through two of them - the taxpayer got good bang for his buck".
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OldMemes posted:I think the sequels make everyone forget how important the first Matrix was - it pretty much set the benchmark for actions films after the 1990s, and still holds up. Just ignore the sequels. ZDT showed torture as unpleasant but useful and arguably vital to taking down Osama. Given the evil, incompetent fucks that the real Maya, Alfreda Bikowsky, and her team were revealed to be (and the not-insignificant amount of evidence that ZDT was their attempt to put a positive spin on their actions before poo poo hit the fan), it's legit to criticise the movie for how it handled it.
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Darth Walrus posted:ZDT showed torture as unpleasant but useful and arguably vital to taking down Osama. Given the evil, incompetent fucks that the real Maya, Alfreda Bikowsky, and her team were revealed to be (and the not-insignificant amount of evidence that ZDT was their attempt to put a positive spin on their actions before poo poo hit the fan), it's legit to criticise the movie for how it handled it. Yeah, it's poo poo like this why I kind of stay away from these kind of movies. Or at the very least wait for a home release. Hell, even when I saw Inglorious Bastards in theaters there were some guys in from going "HOORA" during the end. (Which to me was on of the most disturbing scenes I ever saw in a movie ) ZDT I saw in theaters and that was kind of a slog. With the exception of the raid it felt like a movie going from point A to point B with no...I wanna say soul to it but that sounds too hipsterish.
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DStecks posted:JayO, I'm telling you this cuz you're my postin pal and fellow Correct-Opinion-on-FMAB- Haver, you could not possibly come off as more of an arrogant blowhard in this post if you signed it Of SCIENCE!!! Hey, I discuss movies and TV for a living, what do you want from me?  (Okay I discuss Japanese cartoons for a living, but I try to keep myself rounded by ingesting all kinds of cinematic media.) On a more positive note, I just watched Transparent. It's really good! I also watched Obvious Child. It's super-simple and cute, but also very good! I don't just hate on things and dismiss things all the time. I like things and hate things with equal fervor, and am "meh" on things pretty frequently too, it's just less fun to talk about them because the emotion of "meh" is not a fun one.If "arrogant blowhard" means "confident in their opinions and explains them at length," I'll take it. If you mean I'm pretentious, don't seem to know what I'm talking about, and my arguments don't make any sense and have no basis in reality, then sure, I'd have a bone to pick with that. But I don't think that's what you mean, so it's whatever. I know my own tastes and I don't mince words when I talk about media. I never demand or even expect people to agree with me, but I think discussion is better when people are brutally honest about their feelings and opinions. I think that's a-okay. I literally don't understand what you mean by the "Of SCIENCE" thing, though. I don't associate that with pretentious blowhards, I associate that with 15-year old nerds shouting memes at conventions. Jay O fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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So, MikeJ may have found the Doikest movie ever.
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Jay O posted:Hey, I discuss movies and TV for a living, what do you want from me?
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DStecks posted:JayO, I'm telling you this cuz you're my postin pal and fellow Correct-Opinion-on-FMAB- Haver, you could not possibly come off as more of an arrogant blowhard in this post if you signed it Of SCIENCE!!! Why are you not banned yet
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DStecks posted:JayO, I'm telling you this cuz you're my postin pal and fellow Correct-Opinion-on-FMAB- Haver, you could not possibly come off as more of an arrogant blowhard in this post if you signed it Of SCIENCE!!! That seemed like a pretty normal opinion on a movie dude. Like, I don't agree and all but it's literally just a review of a movie. Hey guys, The Attitude Era Podcast did a review of King of the Ring 2000 aka one of the worst shows in the best year of wrestling ever. Thrill as you know 2 matches in who the King of the Ring will be, Chill at one of the worst matches ever when two old men fight each other in evening gowns, and get ready for a mega match of a six man tag where most of the tag members do literally nothing for 15 minutes. https://soundcloud.com/the-attitude-era-podcast OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:That seemed like a pretty normal opinion on a movie dude. Like, I don't agree and all but it's literally just a review of a movie. That hardcore evening gown match has to be seen to be believed. I don't expect everyone to have the WWE Network, so here's a clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tdOJw0AGqs
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MonsieurChoc posted:http://spoonyexperiment.com/counter-monkey/counter-monkey-they-duel-thats-what-they-do/ PvP is dumb as it is in pen and paper, but attacking an another character basically immediately after character creation over dumb in-game poo poo is even dumber. Is there more to L5R, or is it just Weeaboo the Game?
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