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voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

How dare someone build a house that reflects the kind of money everyone on that street has now.

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Varkk
Apr 17, 2004



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB0ZOu_EZ2M

It is like he is actively trying to be the embodiment of a parody.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.


please click here to support my Buying Boomers Bikes kickstarter

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Exclamation Marx posted:



please click here to support my Buying Boomers Bikes kickstarter

excuse me but the only people unsafe in cars and other vehicles are teens???

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

excuse me but the only people unsafe in cars and other vehicles are teens???

Who do you think keeps running members of the Sons of Accountancy off the road?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Exclamation Marx posted:



please click here to support my Buying Boomers Bikes kickstarter

It's because young people are simply too poor to pay the inflated rego fees for bikes now. Fees which are inflated to pay for the extra ACC fees accumulated by bike riders. Not to mention, more bikes on the road would mean less cars and less traffic congestion and less pollution. The system works!

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

excuse me but the only people unsafe in cars and other vehicles are teens???

Middle-aged women in SUVs and 20's-something men in Holdens/Fords are who routinely try to kill me. But the government would never try to target older people for relicensing.

Project M.A.M.I.L. fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jan 26, 2015

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Yeah cause they vote.

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...
Precisely.

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




:thumbsup:

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Slavvy posted:

It's because young people are simply too poor to pay the inflated rego fees for bikes now. Fees which are inflated to pay for the extra ACC fees accumulated by bike riders. Not to mention, more bikes on the road would mean less cars and less traffic congestion and less pollution. The system works!

I feel like you might be bias towards bikes!

dusty
Nov 30, 2004

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

excuse me but the only people unsafe in cars and other vehicles are teens???

Shame it's not per capita, or per km travelled.

Teen motorcycle accident rate plummeted at the same time car import restrictions were lifted - maybe the more dangerous kids traded in the Suzuki 250 banger for first gen Honda CRXs and mid-eighties MR2s???

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.


also 200 Lyttelton Port workers are striking

Lobsterpillar
Feb 4, 2014

Exclamation Marx posted:


also 200 Lyttelton Port workers are striking

Thats interesting, I was at Lyttelton today and didn't see any signs of a strike. Just a lot of pensioners (its pension day today) and a lot of dodgy driving.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Lobsterpillar posted:

Thats interesting, I was at Lyttelton today and didn't see any signs of a strike. Just a lot of pensioners (its pension day today) and a lot of dodgy driving.

i meant are [about to be] striking :sweatdrop:

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

I feel like you might be bias towards bikes!

I am. Everyone should be. If more people rode motorbikes, there would be less traffic congestion and greater driver awareness of motorbikes which would cut down on accidents a lot. It's the same argument as the cyclist ones except motorbikes pay tax, have warrants, require a license and are able to stop/turn/accelerate like a normal vehicle.

I'm realistic enough to know this will never happen and that they'll eventually be made completely illegal for the greater good.

THE GREATER GOOD.

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo

(and can't post for 5 days!)

Slavvy posted:

I am. Everyone should be. If more people rode motorbikes, there would be less traffic congestion and greater driver awareness of motorbikes which would cut down on accidents a lot. It's the same argument as the cyclist ones except motorbikes pay tax, have warrants, require a license and are able to stop/turn/accelerate like a normal vehicle.

I'm realistic enough to know this will never happen and that they'll eventually be made completely illegal for the greater good.

THE GREATER GOOD.

Plus 50 people on scooters and motorbikes at a set of traffic lights looks insanely cool.

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...

Slavvy posted:

I am. Everyone should be. If more people rode motorbikes, there would be less traffic congestion and greater driver awareness of motorbikes which would cut down on accidents a lot. It's the same argument as the cyclist ones except motorbikes pay tax, have warrants, require a license and are able to stop/turn/accelerate like a normal vehicle.

I'm realistic enough to know this will never happen and that they'll eventually be made completely illegal for the greater good.

THE GREATER GOOD.

Cyclists pay tax. Everyone pays taxes that go towards roads, whether they own a car or not.

My main beef is that everyone including myself are terrible and make awful drivers, and it should be much harder for us to be licensed to drive. What amounts to heavy machinery is being operated in pubic places by people who have to remember how to breathe when they wake up each morning.
The new driver licensing tests helped a bit by making it harder for new drivers, but the worst people are already out there and they don't get stopped until they kill someone. But as it was said already, they are voters, and the AA is a pretty powerful lobby as far as I understand it.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Slavvy specifically means the Road User Charge, which cyclists do not pay, and which is about half of the National Land Transport Programme's funding.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Midget Fist posted:

Cyclists pay tax. Everyone pays taxes that go towards roads, whether they own a car or not.

It's always funny seeing this brought up as a ranting point when they actually should be making the same point about the ACC component of registering a car, which is about to be loosely tied to how safe a vehicle is.

It's still mental that a huge SUV costs the same to register on the road as a classic Mini or Suzuki Swift though.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Slavvy posted:

I am. Everyone should be. If more people rode motorbikes Scooters, there would be less traffic congestion and greater driver awareness of motorbikes Scooters which would cut down on accidents a lot.

Motorbikes wake up the entire loving neighbourhood at 2am. gently caress Motorbikes, ride something fuel efficient for a change.

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...

Ghostlight posted:

Slavvy specifically means the Road User Charge, which cyclists do not pay, and which is about half of the National Land Transport Programme's funding.

True, and yet most people who bike also own cars. But really it doesn't matter as transport infrastructure is vital infrastructure and should be available to all on a non user-pays basis, pedestrian through to SUV driver.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

http://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/65463098/eleanor-cattons-problem-with-new-zealand

quote:

Man Booker Prize author Eleanor Catton says she is uncomfortable being seen as an ambassador for New Zealand which she says is dominated by neo-liberal, profit-obsessed, shallow and money hungry politicians who do not care about culture.

John Keys, man of the people that he is, reckons she's just spouting the Green party line and that average kiwis don't think this. What a good bloke

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

WarpedNaba posted:

Motorbikes wake up the entire loving neighbourhood at 2am. gently caress Motorbikes, ride something fuel efficient for a change.

Those aren't motorbikes, they're dickheads. A common misconception.

Also one of my motorbikes achieves 3.5L/100km :colbert:

Midget Fist posted:

True, and yet most people who bike also own cars. But really it doesn't matter as transport infrastructure is vital infrastructure and should be available to all on a non user-pays basis, pedestrian through to SUV driver.

Which means I'm paying double what most people do. But you're right in saying that it should be available to all, I just think the taxing regime is really stupid and senseless.

Don't get me started on how RUC applies equally to a multi-ton behemoth as it does to a 1.4 kia rio.

NZAmoeba
Feb 14, 2005

It turns out it's MAN!
Hair Elf
Winnie rattling his cage again: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11392652

quote:

New Zealand First Leader Winston Peters has criticised the number of foreign students choosing to study here, saying it is likely due to incentives such as permanent residency.

Mr Peters said there were 93,000 overseas students enrolled to study, an increase of 12 per cent in the last year.

He also noted that the number of Indian students studying in New Zealand had risen by 60 per cent over the last year. "The number coming in is spiralling thanks to 'incentives' being offered beyond the visa rules. The National government's softening of restrictions, by allowing foreign students to work is pushing numbers to unacceptable levels.

"At the same time, students are being 'sold' the student visa as a pathway to permanent residency."

Earlier today Radio New Zealand reported there were 15, 640 Indian students studying at tertiary institutions and polytechnics around the country in the first eight months of last year - a 60 per cent increase over the same period in 2013.

Independent Tertiary Institutions chairman Feroz Ali told RNZ the right incentives were in place for attracting students to New Zealand.

These incentives included opportunities for students to gain job-seeker visas and also to qualify for residency.

Mr Peters said many of these overseas students were "behind counters in supermarkets and working in service stations".

"Kiwi workers now face more unfair competition for jobs, which are not in abundance. The official unemployment rate is 140,000 and about a quarter of young Maori and Pasifika do not have a job.

"Student visas should not be used to flood the job market, drive down wages and undermine conditions and increase the already record number of permanent immigrants."

When I was getting my degree, I was frequently the only non-foreign student in the class. Do you know what that means? It means without all those foreign students, a lot of our tertiary programmes wouldn't even be able to exist due to low numbers. Eat poo poo Winston.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

NZAmoeba posted:

When I was getting my degree, I was frequently the only non-foreign student in the class. Do you know what that means? It means without all those foreign students, a lot of our tertiary programmes wouldn't even be able to exist due to low numbers. Eat poo poo Winston.

Oh hey, almost the same here. I was the token white guy in my business group.

It's almost like Winston has a point to make, something about a lack of regulation, undermined wage rates, high unemployment...

quote:

New Zealand [...] is dominated by neo-liberal, profit-obsessed, shallow and money hungry politicians who do not care-

... clearly, it must be :siren::frogsiren: Foreigners!! :frogsiren::siren:

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Without having to make any effort to make certain, I'm 100% sure Peters has used the term 'johnnie foreigner' in conversation multiple times.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

fong posted:

http://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/65463098/eleanor-cattons-problem-with-new-zealand


John Keys, man of the people that he is, reckons she's just spouting the Green party line and that average kiwis don't think this. What a good bloke

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...

Slavvy posted:

I just think the taxing regime is really stupid and senseless.

Agreed.

Edit- Wow, never seen that John Key quote before. What a fuckwit.

Project M.A.M.I.L. fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Jan 27, 2015

door.jar
Mar 17, 2010

fong posted:

http://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/65463098/eleanor-cattons-problem-with-new-zealand


John Keys, man of the people that he is, reckons she's just spouting the Green party line and that average kiwis don't think this. What a good bloke

https://twitter.com/AliIkram/status/559943218637185024

quote:

It was sad 2day 2 see a NZer whose fictional account of life in this country which transfixed millions get into an argument w Eleanor Catton

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Slavvy posted:

Don't get me started on how RUC applies equally to a multi-ton behemoth as it does to a 1.4 kia rio.
Commercial trucks feel the same way about being charged more just because they have a double tyre.
:vince:

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

How is that the same at all...? Why is it that I can drive a 1990 Isuzu Bighorn 3.1D (..handling by lotus...) a given distance on our roads and somehow pay the same tax as a 2008 Kia Rio 1.4D with the latest emissions technology and half the weight? The entire thing is a holdover from decades ago when 'Diesel' was synonymous with 'Heavy transport' and it was a convenient way of taxing truck operators. Why should something justified on the basis of road wear and smog emissions apply to a modern car with up-to-date emissions and the same physical footprint as a petrol vehicle? How is a BMW X5 or range rover with a hulking great petrol engine hauling around 3 tons somehow less harmful? None of it makes any sense at all.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



It's not the same, it's similar. It's called a comparison.

Metaconcert
Nov 28, 2010

"And my answer is when there are nine"

Midget Fist posted:

Edit- Wow, never seen that John Key quote before. What a fuckwit.

It seems to get more bizarre every time I come across it. I cannot wrap my head around why you would bother making that point to start with, let alone in the apparent context. As that article points out, it also goes well with this thing.

Robo Captain
Sep 28, 2013
You can't talk about role models or any sort of achievement in NZ without mentioning the All Blacks, I'm pretty sure it's in the law.

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

fong posted:

http://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/65463098/eleanor-cattons-problem-with-new-zealand


John Keys, man of the people that he is, reckons she's just spouting the Green party line and that average kiwis don't think this. What a good bloke

I thought you were kidding. Then, I read the article.

Why would stuff give john key the last word in an article about literature, literature awards, and an authors feelings - 3 things which he knows little about and whose opinion in unqualified garbage?

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


klen dool posted:

I thought you were kidding. Then, I read the article.

Why would stuff give john key the last word in an article about literature, literature awards, and an authors feelings - 3 things which he knows little about and whose opinion in unqualified garbage?

klen dool posted:

stuff... i...s... unqualified garbage

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

klen dool posted:

I thought you were kidding. Then, I read the article.

Why would stuff give john key the last word in an article about literature, literature awards, and an authors feelings - 3 things which he knows little about and whose opinion in unqualified garbage?

Because NZers overwhelmingly voted for National. Well, I mean, a slight majority. Well, a slight majority of the lowest voter turnout ever.

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
John Key should have just brought out some of those famous NZ artists who love the right wing as a counter balance

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The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008





Ghostlight posted:

Commercial trucks feel the same way about being charged more just because they have a double tyre.

What really appears to be happening there is people trying to do well by the environment with a nice new Golf TDi are being charged the same rate as trucks to subsidize the hauling companies. I have no evidence at all to prove this, but it seems the only logical explanation.

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