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Birdman is just about things people in the academy can identify with, that doesn't make it oscar bait. I was happy enough with their pick (I would've just given it best director) since it's a fairly unusual film, but oscar bait is stuff like that laughable Angelina Jolie movie and The Theory of Everything and The Imitation Game. I think The Imitation Game is the most Oscar Baity of all the nominees simply because almost everything that they changed for "artistic license" ended up making the movie more attractive to oscar voters. I hate that movie but I've mentioned it enough in this thread.
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cat doter posted:Birdman is just about things people in the academy can identify with, that doesn't make it oscar bait. I was happy enough with their pick (I would've just given it best director) since it's a fairly unusual film, but oscar bait is stuff like that laughable Angelina Jolie movie and The Theory of Everything and The Imitation Game. I think The Imitation Game is the most Oscar Baity of all the nominees simply because almost everything that they changed for "artistic license" ended up making the movie more attractive to oscar voters. I hate that movie but I've mentioned it enough in this thread. Most Oscar bait picks a specific target. For instance, bio-pics almost never win Best Picture. They'll be nominated for sure, but rarely will they ever win. The Academy concentrates more on these films for one angle they hammer home. Theory of Everything was made with the singular goal of winning Best Actor for the tough role. The Imitation Game was made specifically for Best Screenplay in how it catered heavily to political issues that it harped on for one of the longest pre-credit afterwards texts I've seen lately ("Today, they are called computers.").
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FrostedButts posted:Most Oscar bait picks a specific target. For instance, bio-pics almost never win Best Picture. They'll be nominated for sure, but rarely will they ever win. The Academy concentrates more on these films for one angle they hammer home. Theory of Everything was made with the singular goal of winning Best Actor for the tough role. The Imitation Game was made specifically for Best Screenplay in how it catered heavily to political issues that it harped on for one of the longest pre-credit afterwards texts I've seen lately ("Today, they are called computers."). I dislike formula biopics as much as anyone but this feels cartoonishly cynical
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This is still relevant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhrz1-4hN4
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FrostedButts posted:Most Oscar bait picks a specific target. For instance, bio-pics almost never win Best Picture. They'll be nominated for sure, but rarely will they ever win. The Academy concentrates more on these films for one angle they hammer home. Theory of Everything was made with the singular goal of winning Best Actor for the tough role. The Imitation Game was made specifically for Best Screenplay in how it catered heavily to political issues that it harped on for one of the longest pre-credit afterwards texts I've seen lately ("Today, they are called computers."). I just find The Imitation Game to be the most honed attempt at Oscar bait that I've seen in a long time, although I tend to try and skip movies I can tell are just Oscar bait. There are people out there making movies with incredibly precise "how to get nominated for an oscar" handbooks and the movies made from it loving stink.
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I seriously can not wrap my head around people calling Birdman oscar bait, it's way too weird and unique for that, it'd be like saying Mulholland Drive was just oscar bait just because it's all about hollywood
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morestuff posted:I dislike formula biopics as much as anyone but this feels cartoonishly cynical It's cynical but can you honestly say it's unrealistic?
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Biopics are almost always poo poo and should be despised.
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swampland posted:I seriously can not wrap my head around people calling Birdman oscar bait, it's way too weird and unique for that, it'd be like saying Mulholland Drive was just oscar bait just because it's all about hollywood Mulholland Drive is on a whole different weirdness level, but yeah. Mulholland Drive owns.
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Lurdiak posted:This is still relevant. OVER-REACTION!
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FreudianSlippers posted:Biopics are almost always poo poo and should be despised. What are some good biopics?
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Looper posted:What are some good biopics? Patton
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Looper posted:What are some good biopics? Raging Bull The Elephant Man The Social Network Goodfellas Malcolm X Lawrence of Arabia Ed Wood Amadeus
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TrixRabbi posted:As much as Birdman deserved it's win, if Ida had stolen Best Cinematography it would have been 100% deserved. I agree. Every shot in Ida was a beautiful composition.
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Does The Passion of Joan of Arc focus on enough her life to qualify as a biopic? Whatever, watch it anyway
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morestuff posted:I dislike formula biopics as much as anyone but this feels cartoonishly cynical Cynical but true. Everything about that sequence was artistic license. The machines they used at Bletchley to crack ENIGMA were not destroyed, nor were the associated files. You can go to Bletchley today and see them in action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFol3gH1pg Turing machines are logical gadgets which by definition cannot exist in the real world. The only sense in which computers are Turing machines is that they have memory. The Imitation Game is not a movie about Turing. It is a movie made to win an Oscar by appealing to people who feel strongly about bullying and gay rights issues.
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morestuff posted:Raging Bull Watched Amadeus again for the first time in 15 years or so because of the hyping earlier in the thread, and god drat I think it's one of my all time favorite movies.
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I don't think Amadeus is a biopic, but it's a really good movie.
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There are few things I hate more than the casual dismissal of movies as 'Oscar Bait'. And I hated Theory of Everything and Imitation Game, but to say they existed solely to reap an Oscar is ludicrous. That's not how movies are made. Sure when marketing gets involved that's a whole different thing, but a movie isn't produced on the rare chance that it might actually win an award.
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DrVenkman posted:There are few things I hate more than the casual dismissal of movies as 'Oscar Bait'. And I hated Theory of Everything and Imitation Game, but to say they existed solely to reap an Oscar is ludicrous. That's not how movies are made. Sure when marketing gets involved that's a whole different thing, but a movie isn't produced on the rare chance that it might actually win an award. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_quK9SEGYE
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Kurtofan posted:I don't think Amadeus is a biopic, but it's a really good movie. It's a biopic, only disqualified because it's good.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's a biopic, only disqualified because it's good. It's highly fictionalized.
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Amadeus is so good that everyone's historical recollection of Mozart should be that movie, and not what actually happened.
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Looper posted:What are some good biopics? Sid and Nancy Walker The Elephant Man Mommie Dearest Bundy The Madness of King George Basquiat Gia Chopper
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Kurtofan posted:It's highly fictionalized. Whoa really? I didn't know they could do that with movies.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Whoa really? I didn't know they could do that with movies. Biographies are supposed to reflect the historical truth, or at least try. They aren't fictions. Biopics are held to the same standard. Amadeus is a fiction, and that's cool. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Sid and Nancy Also Pollock is pretty good Greenplastic posted:Watched Amadeus again for the first time in 15 years or so because of the hyping earlier in the thread, and god drat I think it's one of my all time favorite movies. I watched it again, too. It's great.
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morestuff posted:Raging Bull None of those movies even register in my mind as being biopics because they're all great. So I guess maybe I was being a bit hasty and biopics is just a "genre" with a insanely huge difference in quality between the good films and the bad films.
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There certainly is the formula biopic of the heroically suffering brilliant male figure, supported by the characterless and dutiful wife. But it's not the only kind there is.
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Auto Focus The Aviator Behind the Candelabra Bronson Catch Me If You Can Charlie Wilson's War The Informant! Selma The Wolf of Wall Street Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Kurtofan posted:Biographies are supposed to reflect the historical truth, or at least try. They aren't fictions. Biopics are held to the same standard. Haha, they most certainly are not. In fact, that's what began this whole argument. A biography can be mid-hundreds to thousands of pages, a film biopic is typically not longer than 3 hours. Cracks form immediately.
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DrVenkman posted:but a movie isn't produced on the rare chance that it might actually win an award. you poor naive bastard
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Mr Turner, ignored by awards people for other not as good biopics, is a very good biopic.
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Does the Academy's orchestra releases albums of the movie themes they play during the ceremonies? Edit: Star wars winning Best costume design, what's cool is that all they got models wearing every nominees' costumes during the presentation. So you've got all those classy costumes and then bam you've got Storm troopers. edit: also for Barry Lyndon's year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FesI0_K_JLk Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Kurtofan posted:Biographies are supposed to reflect the historical truth, or at least try. They aren't fictions. Biopics are held to the same standard. They're fictional works made by an entertainment industry.
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Kull the Conqueror posted:They're fictional works made by an entertainment industry. I feel like this isn't a genre that should exist then. "Movie starring a real person as main character" should be one element instead of the defining feature. Like in the lists above, Goodfellas shouldn't be a biopic, it's a gangster movie. It would still be a gangster movie if Ray Liotta played a guy called Tony Soprano or whatever.
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Kurtofan posted:I feel like this isn't a genre that should exist then. "Movie starring a real person as main character" should be one element instead of the defining feature. Like in the lists above, Goodfellas shouldn't be a biopic, it's a gangster movie. It would still be a gangster movie if Ray Liotta played a guy called Tony Soprano or whatever. It is entirely common for a movie to belong to more than one genre.
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Kull the Conqueror posted:They're fictional works made by an entertainment industry. Best Picture winner A Beautiful Mind (2001) was about as factually true to the life of John Nash as Amadeus was to the life of Mozart.
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Kurtofan posted:I feel like this isn't a genre that should exist then. "Movie starring a real person as main character" should be one element instead of the defining feature. Like in the lists above, Goodfellas shouldn't be a biopic, it's a gangster movie. It would still be a gangster movie if Ray Liotta played a guy called Tony Soprano or whatever. Well its not a real "genre", not really anyway. It's just that when one is really good, we tend not to think of it in the same terms because the "genre" is defined by bad, formulaic films. Honestly, a lot of genres are because it's easy to recognize templates and simple story beats.
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exquisite tea posted:Best Picture winner A Beautiful Mind (2001) was about as factually true to the life of John Nash as Amadeus was to the life of Mozart. The quality of A Beautiful Mind is summed up by the DVD's supplemental disc being almost entirely award ceremony footage. 
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