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Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

Welcome to the David Lynch Chat Lodge, where there’s always music in the air and the drapes are always red…

This is a thread for discussing the work of David Lynch (b. 1946, Missoula, Montana). Lynch is an award-winning director of movies, television, commercials and music videos (Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive) as well as being an actor, writer, cartoonist, musician, photographer, painter and builder of lamps. Lynch is also a proponent of transcendental meditation and has a foundation which promotes the use and better understanding of TM. Lynch is currently married and resident in LA.

Major films:
Eraserhead
The Elephant Man
Dune
Blue Velvet
Wild at Heart
Twin peaks: Fire Walk With Me
Lost Highway
The Straight Story
Mulholland Drive
Inland Empire


Lynch’s work is so diverse, I don’t think there is any point in limiting discussion in this thread (with the exception of Twin Peaks, see below). I guess we’ll mostly be chatting about the movies but everything else he does is worth covering here, especially as I can’t see threads on his art, music, writing etc. gaining a critical mass on their own. Also, a lot of us are interested in many parts of his output, so it seems best to share it in one place.

Posting of favourite images encouraged! Newbies are welcome, but please read this thread and check Wikipedia/Google before posting questions. Lynch fans are pretty chill and inclusive.

:siren: Thread rules: :siren:

There will be spoilers so newbies beware! It is up to posters itt to decide regarding spoiler tags but just assume that if you are reading there will be spoilers. Obviously, if a new movie comes out that will be spoiler tag material for a while.

For any detailed chat regarding Twin Peaks TV series (S1 and S2 complete, S3 in development for autumn 2016 (HBOShowtime)), please go to the dedicated thread in TVIV here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3219081 As many of us check/post in that thread already, don’t feel like posters itt will miss out on your TP questions/comments when you post them there. The feature film Fire Walk With Me is definitely within this thread’s scope, so post away.

If you’ve met Lynch or his collaborators you are welcome to tell us about your experiences if it relates to projects, public events, conventions, etc. Nothing regarding people’s private lives, please. No stalking or internet detectiving.

Vimeo, YouTube and any videos/clips on official sites are fine to post. It goes without saying, no :filez:

Try to keep it polite. :)

Links:
DavidLynch.com is the official website.
http://davidlynch.com/
David Lynch Foundation is his charity, largely related to TM.
http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/
Forums:
Dugpa: an excellent site with reviews, interviews and a very active forum
http://dugpa.com/
Twin Peaks Gazette: an archived forum, defunct since 2012 and much missed. :( Still lots of stuff worth digging out.
http://twinpeaksgazette.com/
Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch
Documentaries/Interviews:
Pretty as a Picture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11nPUi5RWck
2014 interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuMYSuyDmM8

{Please feel free to suggest additional links! I will add to OP.}

Josef K. Sourdust fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jan 17, 2015

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Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

This shit's about to go off.
I love David Lynch but I still haven't seen about half his movies. Need to see: Elephant Man, Straight Story, Lost Highway, and Inland Empire (haven't seen Dune but from what I've heard about it I probably don't need to). Mulholland Drive is not only my favorite Lynch movie but might be my absolute favorite movie overall, I think it's a work of perfect genius. If I ever want to freak myself out for the rest of the day I just need to think about the guy behind the diner...great, now I've gone and done it. And now you have too.

100Dachshunds
Oct 11, 2009

GOCHARMSPRINGS
David Lynch is just about one of my favorite people ever. Though I love his movies and music (I own every movie and album he's made, plus a couple books of his photography) I know relatively little about the man himself. Eraserhead is my very favorite Lynch movie (and probably my second or third favorite movie PERIOD.) I saw it back in the 90s when I was 15 or 16 and it stuck with me, HARD. Burned itself into my brain. Bought a crusty VHS copy soon after I saw it. Just realized there's a Criterion edition (of course there is) so I'll pick that up pretty soon, I'm sure.

Eraserhead is my friendship test film. We will sit and watch it, and if you enjoy it-- even if you never want to watch it again--you pass. If not, I know that I'm probably too weird to be friends with you anyways-- I'd annoy you to death before too long.

I have an Eraserhead tattoo. (forgive the bad photo, it's difficult to take a picture of your own calf)


As a general rule Lynch's work is slow and contemplative, but I enjoy his slowest, darkest work most of all-- on that vein, his short series 'Rabbits' is right behind Eraserhead as my favorite Lynch 'thing'. Blue Velvet is also way up there-- my husband and I love to quote Dennis Hopper's lines. They're appropriate in almost any situation.

I bought Straight Story because of Lynch, and it is honestly an enjoyable movie-- but I would have never known it was his!

Bloodcider
Jun 19, 2009
He also had a really fantastic cameo on Louie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwUmXT3RJCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qob3FTPJ7cM

Akarshi
Apr 23, 2011

Oh man I love David Lynch. Watching Mulholland Drive one night with my friends was what made me decide to concentrate in Cinema Studies. I have never before seen a movie so packed with symbols and meaning, and it really stuck with me afterwards. I watched Blue Velvet soon after and also really enjoyed it...I still have yet to watch the rest of his films though, but it's definitely on my list. Currently binging through Twin Peaks as well.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Watching Mulholland Drive in the middle of the night as an impressionable 17 year old just getting into less mainstream fare was pretty much my defining moment as far as films go. I don't know that it'll ever leave my top 10.

Just a small correction for the OP - Twin Peaks reboot will air on Showtime, not HBO :)

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

Bown posted:

Just a small correction for the OP - Twin Peaks reboot will air on Showtime, not HBO :)

Well spotted. Thanks!

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


After being told that my wife and I had gotten into Twin Peaks, my father in law decided to gift us a Lynch film.

He gave us Inland Empire.

I didn't hate it but I felt like I'd jumped from 0-60. It's a hosed up fever dream of a film and I really liked the way it basically operates on dream logic, amplifying little fears until they become the world. We watched Berberian Sound Studio not long after and it hit a lot of the same notes (although in a much more accessible fashion).

I need to watch more Lynch.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Party Boat posted:

After being told that my wife and I had gotten into Twin Peaks, my father in law decided to gift us a Lynch film.

He gave us Inland Empire.

I didn't hate it but I felt like I'd jumped from 0-60. It's a hosed up fever dream of a film and I really liked the way it basically operates on dream logic, amplifying little fears until they become the world. We watched Berberian Sound Studio not long after and it hit a lot of the same notes (although in a much more accessible fashion).

I need to watch more Lynch.

Yeah, Inland Empire is probably Lynch's most divisive film. I'm not a fan myself, but if you can get through that then you can easily take on the rest of his filmography.

Blue Velvet and Eraserhead are my personal favorites of his work, and The Straight Story is very good as well.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
I would say Blue Velvet is the best starting point for Lynch's movies. I started with Eraserhead and didn't have a good time before moving on to BV and Mulholland and properly getting into him. These days Eraserhead is my second-favourite film of his.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Josef K. Sourdust posted:

Welcome to the David Lynch Chat Lodge, where there’s always music in the air and the drapes are always red…

This is a thread for discussing the work of David Lynch (b. 1946, Missoula, Montana). Lynch is an award-winning director of movies, television, commercials and music videos (Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive) as well as being an actor, writer, cartoonist, musician, photographer, painter and builder of lamps. Lynch is also a proponent of transcendental meditation and has a foundation which promotes the use and better understanding of TM. Lynch is currently married and resident in LA.


Also, cartoon:

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

^^^ Very true! Family Guy, The Splendid Source, May 2010 - what season and episode is that?

Current exhibition in the UK of DL's art: http://www.visitmima.com/whats-on/single/david-lynch-naming/

Lord Krangdar
Oct 24, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.

Party Boat posted:

After being told that my wife and I had gotten into Twin Peaks, my father in law decided to gift us a Lynch film.

He gave us Inland Empire.

I didn't hate it but I felt like I'd jumped from 0-60. It's a hosed up fever dream of a film and I really liked the way it basically operates on dream logic, amplifying little fears until they become the world. We watched Berberian Sound Studio not long after and it hit a lot of the same notes (although in a much more accessible fashion).

I need to watch more Lynch.

That film is kinda like taking all the common themes and concepts from his previous work and indulging them as much as possible. So if you watch it again after the rest of his filmography it will probably be like a whole new experience.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



I recently watched a lotof his shorter works, and my two favorites were "The Cowboy and the Frenchman" and "Dumbland." They were both very silly, and I enjoyed them a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx8v0Deetag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYHOQ6AQ3Rc

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
The ant sequence in Dumbland is great.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Josef K. Sourdust posted:

^^^ Very true! Family Guy, The Splendid Source, May 2010 - what season and episode is that?

Current exhibition in the UK of DL's art: http://www.visitmima.com/whats-on/single/david-lynch-naming/

He was a semi regular on The Cleveland Show as Gus the Bartender, though he did make a crossover appearance on Family Guy.


Just to hear David Lynch tell a wooden sex doll "When I'm finished with you, you're going to be a canoe".

Infamous Sphere
Nov 8, 2010
Blargh oh my god yes, I have read fanfiction, in a way it's a guilty pleasure/so bad it's good thing. I can't read trashy romance though. Fanfiction..oh god..some of the anatomical limitations are..well..let's just say these women don't very much und
I would say that I love David Lynch, but it doesn't seem like I come from the most informed place, seeing as I've only watched Mulholland Drive, Blue Velvet, The Elephant Man and Twin Peaks. Still, that's several hours of Lynch-stuff, and probably more then enough to figure out whether or not you like his style. I also heard his music before I'd even seen any of his films, and I quite like it, even though Lynch is an acquired taste as a singer.

First Lynch film I saw was Mulholland Drive, and I think I was expecting Lynch's style to be more...body horror, like Cronenberg. I guess people had told me his work was nightmarish, and I interpreted nightmarish in the wrong way. But I loved the visuals and the sound design and it just stuck with me.
I'm now a video reviewer of LGBT films - so if you're interested, here's my thoughts on Mulholland Drive (as it compares to Black Swan) and a little bit about Lynch in general, and then my thoughts on how gender and sexuality is treated in Blue Velvet. The latter link also features what's essentially Lynch cosplay, so if anyone finds a 20something year old woman dressing up as David Lynch amusing, there you go.

If you like Lynch's visual style, I'd also recommend the work of Gregory Crewdson, the photographer. There's a great documentary about him on Netflix called Brief Encounters.

PiedPiper
Jan 1, 2014

I still don't know how Lynch can make even a simply furnished room so loving unsettling. He can create a certain mood out of NOTHING.
Also, if you don't think the whole Silencio sequence in Mulholland Drive is the greatest thing in cinema history, you're basically dead to me.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

Wild at Heart is by far his most underrated movie. The fact that it won a Palme d'Or is both a wonderful and hilarious thing.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
If you love Angelo Badalementi's dark, spooky, sexy music from Lynch's movies, you should check out a band called Silencio, which takes its sound and visual style from Lynch and Badalamenti. Awesome stuff!

http://www.delsilencio.net

Scrotum Modem
Sep 12, 2014

This is a documentary/interview about the making of Eraserhead made in 2001 called "Eraserhead Stories" (1 hour 25 min long) http://liveleak.com/view?i=957_1367864296 I don't think I've seen an interview with Lynch this long but I found it drat interesting learning about the process of putting together that classic film and his insights. Lynch fans will love it.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Why in the world is that on Liveleak?

Scrotum Modem
Sep 12, 2014

I wouldn't know but I sure can't find it anywhere else. Other sites talking about it link to a dead YouTube page *shrugs*

Ausmund
Jan 24, 2007

THUNDERDOME LOSER
If I like Lynch what other films/albums would I like? A lot of mainstream stuff that's suppose to be good like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad bores and disappoints me. I feel like Lynch is a gateway to a world of quality and artistic integrity. I'm enticed by stuff that's raw and evokes emotion.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
For some reason the first thing that comes to mind is either Punch-Drunk Love or A Woman Under The Influence, but only because they're both intensely emotional Los Angeles-based films that make me anxious, not because they really have anything to do with David Lynch.

Astrochicken
Aug 13, 2007

So you better go back to your bars, your temples
Your massage parlors!

Lynch is cool. I like that one of his with the Rammstein song in it.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Astrochicken posted:

Lynch is cool. I like that one of his with the Rammstein song in it.

Lost Highway is dope, yeah. Robert Blake is creepy as gently caress in that movie, and also in real life.

Section 9
Mar 24, 2003

Hair Elf
While I think it is great, I cannot watch Eraserhead. I saw it a couple times long ago, and ended up having some major stress related dreams at the time that combined with night terrors to the point that even seeing still images of the woman in the radiator (including that calf tattoo above) freaks me out. It has become the embodiment of dread to me. But I love all of his stuff, and I think Inland Empire is the most amazing and intense movie I have ever seen, and have watched Twin Peaks more times than I can count.

Aphra Bane
Oct 3, 2013

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

Lost Highway is dope, yeah. Robert Blake is creepy as gently caress in that movie, and also in real life.

I love the article David Foster Wallace wrote about Lost Highway.

'... there are also some scenes of Bill Pullman looking very natty and East Village in all black and jamming on his tenor sax in front of a packed dance floor (only in a David Lynch movie would people dance ecstatically to abstract jazz)'

his bit about what "Lynchian" means is pretty apt as well:

quote:

6. WHAT 'LYNCHIAN' MEANS AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT

AN ACADEMIC DEFINITION of Lynchian might be that the term "refers to a particular kind of irony where the very macabre and the very mundane combine in such a way as to reveal the former's perpetual containment within the latter." But like postmodern or pornographic, Lynchian is one of those Porter Stewart-type words that's ultimately definable only ostensively-i.e., we know it when we see it. Ted Bundy wasn't particularly Lynchian, but good old Jeffrey Dahmer, with his victims' various anatomies neatly separated and stored in his fridge alongside his chocolate milk and Shedd Spread, was thoroughgoingly Lynchian. A recent homicide in Boston, in which the deacon of a South Shore church reportedly gave chase to a vehicle that bad cut him off, forced the car off the road, and shot the driver with a highpowered crossbow, was borderline Lynchian. A Rotary luncheon where everybody's got a comb-over and a polyester sport coat and is eating bland Rotarian chicken and exchanging Republican platitudes with heartfelt sincerity and yet all are either amputees or neurologically damaged or both would be more Lynchian than not. A hideously bloody street fight over an insult would be a Lynchian street fight if and only if the insultee punctuates every kick and blow with an injunction not to say loving anything if you can't say something loving nice.

For me, Lynch's movies' deconstruction of this weird irony of the banal has affected the way I see and organize the world. I've noted since 1986 (when Blue Velvet was released) that a good 65 percent of the people in metropolitan bus terminals between the hours of midnight and 6 A.M. tend to qualify as Lynchian figures-grotesque, enfeebled, flamboyantly unappealing, freighted with a woe out of all proportion to evident circumstances ... a class of public-place humans I've privately classed, via Lynch, as "insistently hosed up." Or, e.g. we've all seen people assume sudden and grotesque facial expressions-like when receiving shocking news, or biting into something that turns out to be foul, or around small kids for no particular reason other than to be weird-but I've determined that a sudden grotesque facial expression won't qualify as a really Lynchian facial expression unless the expression is held for several moments longer than the circumstances could even possibly warrant, until it starts to signify about seventeen different thin sat once.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Ausmund posted:

If I like Lynch what other films/albums would I like? A lot of mainstream stuff that's suppose to be good like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad bores and disappoints me. I feel like Lynch is a gateway to a world of quality and artistic integrity. I'm enticed by stuff that's raw and evokes emotion.

Berberian Sound Studio. It's about a meek English sound engineer whose grip on reality starts to slip while working on an Italian horror film.

Infamous Sphere
Nov 8, 2010
Blargh oh my god yes, I have read fanfiction, in a way it's a guilty pleasure/so bad it's good thing. I can't read trashy romance though. Fanfiction..oh god..some of the anatomical limitations are..well..let's just say these women don't very much und
I'm also recommending Mysteries of Love, the documentary about the making of Blue Velvet. It's a great insight into the film and the process of making it, although in a sense they didn't address something I wanted them to address. (Frank's sexual harassment and possible sexual assault of Jeffrey Beaumont.) It also didn't align entirely with my interpretation of the film, but that's fine.

I think Picnic at Hanging Rock is a bit Lynchian. The way that Peter Weir makes inanimate objects and bland scenes become terrifying matches up, and the theme of the missing girls aligns pretty well with the themes and mood of Twin Peaks.

Aphra Bane
Oct 3, 2013

Infamous Sphere posted:

I think Picnic at Hanging Rock is a bit Lynchian. The way that Peter Weir makes inanimate objects and bland scenes become terrifying matches up, and the theme of the missing girls aligns pretty well with the themes and mood of Twin Peaks.
Seconding this.

In a similar vein, I thought Lake Mungo was pretty Lynchy. It already has some pretty direct nods to Twin Peaks, but the eerie mood of the film also struck me as very reminiscent of what you find in most Lynch films. It just occurred to me that Laura Dern's notorious face ... scare jump? in Inland Empire probably inspired a similar moment in Lake Mungo as well.

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

I imagine that Eraserhead interview is the one that was on the special edition of Eraserhead 2000 DVD remaster.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003

Not film but a lot of Haruki Murakami novels are really Lynchian. Especially like Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Josef K. Sourdust posted:

I imagine that Eraserhead interview is the one that was on the special edition of Eraserhead 2000 DVD remaster.

I believe it is. It also is on the Criterion disc as well.

100Dachshunds
Oct 11, 2009

GOCHARMSPRINGS
And I'm sure everyone knows this already but just in case; check out the video game Deadly Premonition. It's essentially Twin Peaks: the video game, and has a lot of excellent Lynchian subtext floating around.

Cromulent
Dec 22, 2002

People are under a lot of stress, Bradley.
I love Lynch, but I've been on the fence and waiting to watch Inland Empire for about 5 years now. There seems to be only two schools of thought from Lynch fans - it's either totally brilliant and horrifying and sticks with you, or it's a complete waste of time "up his own rear end" garbage. The fact that it's so long is probably the biggest barrier to me just sitting down and watching it, what's everyone here think about it?

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

Cromulent posted:

I love Lynch, but I've been on the fence and waiting to watch Inland Empire for about 5 years now. There seems to be only two schools of thought from Lynch fans - it's either totally brilliant and horrifying and sticks with you, or it's a complete waste of time "up his own rear end" garbage. The fact that it's so long is probably the biggest barrier to me just sitting down and watching it, what's everyone here think about it?

I think IE is two (or maybe three) brilliant memorable short films chopped up and diluted in one overlong, indulgent mess. (And he had already done Rabbits before, so why we needed it again, I don't know.) I don't think DL had a proper script and he edited it himself - which was fatal. Mary Sweeney did a great job on his previous films and DL needs some constraints to channel his work. He filmed too much because it was digital, so he didn't need to economise with film. That left him with too much material. IE lacks the humour, wit, memorable characters, approachability and balance that made his previous work great. I've watched IE two or three times and I can't remember a single character's name. You can't say that about any of DL's previous films good, bad or patchy. I am not anti-arthouse (Eraserhead is my favourite DL film) but IE is a mess.

E: After IE there was a long period when fans thought he'll just promote TM and make art and never make another film. I said "If any more films are like IE then I'm glad he'll never make any more." And I'm a real hardcore Lynchian. That's how irritated IE made me.

Josef K. Sourdust fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jan 18, 2015

Lord Krangdar
Oct 24, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.

Infamous Sphere posted:

First Lynch film I saw was Mulholland Drive, and I think I was expecting Lynch's style to be more...body horror, like Cronenberg. I guess people had told me his work was nightmarish, and I interpreted nightmarish in the wrong way.

Cronenberg tends to ground the horrific in the mundane, whereas Lynch can make anything mundane seem nightmarish.

Cromulent posted:

I love Lynch, but I've been on the fence and waiting to watch Inland Empire for about 5 years now. There seems to be only two schools of thought from Lynch fans - it's either totally brilliant and horrifying and sticks with you, or it's a complete waste of time "up his own rear end" garbage. The fact that it's so long is probably the biggest barrier to me just sitting down and watching it, what's everyone here think about it?


It's a culmination of everything he's worked on his whole career, but in a way that is totally uncompromising and unfiltered through other people's expectations or demands.

To me it makes his movies since Twin Peaks seem like they take place all together in one universe. You sorta get to see how they're all telling the same story.

Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Jan 18, 2015

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Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Josef K. Sourdust posted:

I think IE is two (or maybe three) brilliant memorable short films chopped up and diluted in one overlong, indulgent mess. (And he had already done Rabbits before, so why we needed it again, I don't know.) I don't think DL had a proper script and he edited it himself - which was fatal. Mary Sweeney did a great job on his previous films and DL needs some constraints to channel his work. He filmed too much because it was digital, so he didn't need to economise with film. That left him with too much material. IE lacks the humour, wit, memorable characters, approachability and balance that made his previous work great. I've watched IE two or three times and I can't remember a single character's name. You can't say that about any of DL's previous films good, bad or patchy. I am not anti-arthouse (Eraserhead is my favourite DL film) but IE is a mess.

E: After IE there was a long period when fans thought he'll just promote TM and make art and never make another film. I said "If any more films are like IE then I'm glad he'll never make any more." And I'm a real hardcore Lynchian. That's how irritated IE made me.

This is essentially how I felt about IE. I guess I'm glad it exists for the sake of comparison to other films, but it was just...too much for me. I'm not a fan of the digital look of the film at all either, and three hours of that was not enjoyable at all for me. Maybe that was also the point, but I don't know.

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