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Disinterested posted:So you're saying nothing has slipped into the American consciousness yet as a trauma? I kind of get the vibe that slavery and civil rights is at least a bit that way. Of course, there are all sorts of trapdoors that allow you not to blame yourself for this. racism is over you stupid Euro, we got rid of it over 50 years ago. infact slavery and Jim Crow are points of pride for our country because white middle class WASPs have twisted them so much they actually feel more proud of getting rid of them than they feel any shame for them existing to begin with *starts chanting USA USA USA*
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Satsuki Kiryuin posted:The Cold War basically made America go nuts and do anything and everything it could to stick it to the commies, from putting god in the pledge of allegiance to making all our kids says it. Ultimately the sad fact is the original nationalist movement in the US never lost any steam due to the US not being bombed into a crater during WW2 and it found a very happy place inside anti-soviet and anti-European rhetoric during the cold war. Bellamy salute was from the 30s. We had a good 5 or 10 year period where we were buds with the USSR, we even backed them up in telling postcolonial European countries to pound sand a few times No, the United States has been nationalistic and authoritarian for pretty much its entire existence
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nopantsjack posted:Its handy to make Americans pledge allegiance and raise flags and whatnot just literally to remind them what country they are in. There are a fuckload of people and cultures in the States so you use patriotism to unify them against secession. If you fail to do this your land empire risks falling apart. white Americans are a shitload more homogenous as a whole than Europe as a whole. they're doing the Hitler salute to the flag every morning because they're authoritarian reactionaries, it has nothing to do with keeping imperial peoples together or whatever
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so what you're saying is that the US is a racist, imperialist state convinced of its superiority over the hispanic untermenschen? pretty good summary IMO
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Jan 18, 2015 02:05
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The US isn't that much less cosmopolitan or liberal than most Euro countries, the difference is that American conservatives are a united block and so have much more power, while Euro conservatives are divided by nationality while the liberals generally are not with recent events however that might change as the Eurozone continues its slow implosion and the European right continues its rise
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Did somebody turn on the Stalin-apologist-signal by accident or something?
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