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Sinnlos posted:The whole film is hosed up front to back. It will be fun doing a comprehensive take down of all the vile layers of poo poo it contains. It's empty consolation because you're still living in a country where a good 30-40% of the population enthusiastically supports all of it
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KingsPawn posted:Jesus, why the gently caress did this get made? Because Clint Eastwood and a good chunk of the American population are a few steps removed from fascists? It's not really hard to figure out meristem posted:Oh, so it's the same story as Wall Street, Wolf of Wall Street, Fight Club and however many other things? Part of the audience sees the irony, part takes the film/comic completely in serious, the author earns twice? The difference is that some of those movies are intended to be read as satirical, but American Sniper isn't at all astupiddvdcase posted:I love how people of certain political leaning loves to bash all the movies with "liberal agendas about slavery" etc. etc. (not that oscar baiting films don't raise my eyebrows) and now they can't handle people being up in arms about American Sniper lol. He was a bigoted thug and not a particularly smart one at that icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Jan 25, 2015 |
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To be perfectly honest the United States needs the experience of a gruesome war / occupation with massive civilian casualties if it's ever going to get the idea of "war is bad" hammered into its skull. The great antiwar works from WW2 are all Russian, German, and Japanese, like suddenly those countries realize "oh, that's what those liberal cranks were getting at, I understand now!!!!"
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Eb posted:Great movie, definitely deserves the Oscar nomination for best picture. "Well hey, the guy might have been a cowardly, thuggish, bigoted war criminal, but maybe the truth is in the middle!!!!"
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teagone posted:Chill. I said I didn't read the book and just asked for some sources is all. I was presented with lines of text that seemed out of context. But with all the poo poo you just said, ok cool I get it. Kyle was probably a lying piece of poo poo who got a movie made about his supposed exploits as a SEAL sniper and general real life "badassery". He's dead now though. Are you trying to convince me that American Sniper paints a disgusting picture of America's prejudice towards Iraq and Muslims through the eyes of a sociopathic rear end in a top hat? Because I honestly don't give a poo poo about Kyle's viewpoints or who he was. I'm willing to bet like every 3 out of 4 SEALs are just like him anyways. It should disturb you that the SEALs are apparantly a step away from being SS Einsatzgruppen
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Well yeah, they are, that's the point. It's bad, and it's also a legitimate criticism of the movie that it glorifies that. You don't have to care personally, but to say the criticism that the movie is basically Nazi propaganda is wrong is insane. If you really don't care then don't say anything either way
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TomViolence posted:I don't think it can be as clear-cut as all that. People grow to hate and fear anything they live in constant threat of, and if your enemy's hiding in plain sight as happens with an insurgency it's impossible to not treat the general populace with some measure of fear, suspicion or even loathing as a pure survival mechanism. Any bigotry a soldier brings back with him is often merely baggage from that, a learned behaviour picked up like muscle memory. Dehumanising the "enemy" makes them easier to kill, which is terrible, but if it's easier to kill potentially dangerous potential enemies it's much easier to stay alive in a warzone. Politics, ideology and personal prejudice all take a backseat when brute survival is at stake. Well it's a good thing then that military service in the United States is entirely voluntary, and nobody is coerced or even really pressured into doing this, isn't it? Like this argument works for your racist grandpa who fought at Guadalcanal in WW2, but it doesn't really work for a dude who explicitly wanted to and volunteered to go murder Arab civilians
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Armyman25 posted:The creators of the patch were Nazis? Turns out the dude wearing a Death's Head insignia / SS logo shares many opinions with the Nazis? WHOA
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